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Phrasikleia wrote:
I'm not sure what you mean about only trusting the RAW file. For prints, you have to trust your edited PSD (or TIFF or whatever). For the web, you have to trust your final JPEG. Yeah, I just downloaded your file from the forum and pulled it up in PS. You should open your JPEG in PS and see if the clipping looks any different. Anyway, regarding how to process for web: that is the million dollar question! My approach is to favor the best-case scenario: color-aware browsers used with calibrated monitors. I save out with an sRGB profile to...Show more →

I misspoke, I meant my final PSD file. If that file looks good to me, I'm not touching it any further, I convert the profile to sRGB and save it as a JPEG for web viewing.

I've always had the same approach to editing, favoring a best case scenario...and keeping my fingers crossed.

Jul 11, 2013 at 08:59 AM

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Very nice Justin!

Processing for color aware browsers used with calibrated monitors is the worst case scenario when publishing on the web, not the best. The general public overwhelmingly uses Internet Explorer with a generic computer. So you are processing for your carefully calibrated equipment, and a small group of astute photographers, not the average viewer. This subject comes up a lot in Mark Metternich's photographs. Often his look "just right" through Firefox, but if I switch to IE, well anything can happen. Open this photograph in the two browsers side-by-side and you'll see. I just did. The IE version is hotter and redder.

Jul 11, 2013 at 09:02 AM

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ckcarr wrote:
Very nice Justin!

Processing for color aware browsers used with calibrated monitors is the worst case scenario when publishing on the web, not the best. The general public overwhelmingly uses Internet Explorer with a generic computer. So you are processing for your carefully calibrated equipment, and a small group of astute photographers, not the average viewer. This subject comes up a lot in Mark Metternich's photographs. Often his look "just right" through Firefox, but if I switch to IE, well anything can happen. Open this photograph in the two browsers side-by-side and you'll see. I just did. The IE version is...Show more →

Hi ckcarr. What we meant by "best case scenario" is the one you most hope for: the ideal viewer will be using a color-aware browser and a calibrated display, so that's the best case scenario. The worst case scenario is somebody on a totally whacked phone (like the one I use) or some super-low-end laptop (like my father-in-law has), but one can't possibly prepare images for the web that will ever look good on those devices! Since you don't think it's a good idea to target the ideal systems, what do you target?

Jul 11, 2013 at 09:15 AM

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ckcarr wrote:
Very nice Justin!

Processing for color aware browsers used with calibrated monitors is the worst case scenario when publishing on the web, not the best. The general public overwhelmingly uses Internet Explorer with a generic computer. So you are processing for your carefully calibrated equipment, and a small group of astute photographers, not the average viewer. This subject comes up a lot in Mark Metternich's photographs. Often his look "just right" through Firefox, but if I switch to IE, well anything can happen. Open this photograph in the two browsers side-by-side and you'll see. I just did. The IE version is...Show more →

Thanks!

Without getting hung up on how we're interpreting best/worst case scenario, my point being, I can't possibly try to edit my photo in a way that would appear to look "perfect" on everyone's computer screen across the globe. You have to edit the photo on a designated monitor that matches your prints, trust that and hope for the best when it's viewed on somebody's else computer. You really don't have any other choice. Anything else is like chasing your tail.

While all critique is important to me, that very reason is why I don't get too hung up saturation, contrast, hue, exposure, highlights, etc. comments. On the web, composition and subject critique is infinitely more important to me.

Jul 11, 2013 at 09:23 AM

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JustinPoe wrote:
Thanks!

Without getting hung up on how we're interpreting best/worst case scenario, my point being, I can't possibly try to edit my photo in a way that would appear to look "perfect" on everyone's computer screen across the globe. You have to edit the photo on a designated monitor that matches your prints, trust that and hope for the best when it's viewed on somebody's else computer. You really don't have any other choice. Anything else is like chasing your tail.

While all critique is important to me, that very reason is why I don't get too hung up saturation, contrast, hue,...Show more →

Exactly right, and the really big difference in monitors is how bright they are set and there are no calibration rules for brightness.

Jul 11, 2013 at 09:31 AM

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Great shots Justin!!! To me, the printed product is how I best judge my work. As you stated, "composition and subject critique is ..more important to me."
Dan

Jul 11, 2013 at 09:42 AM

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The biggest gotcha for me is how much brighter my images look on uncalibrated screens. They are usually a good 15-20% brighter and usually loose any of the nice deep blacks that I love so much. However my screen matches my prints that I get done almost perfectly, so that's what I stick with. I have always been tempted to deepen the blacks when saving a web version... but then anyone with a properly calibrated screen is going to have the blacks way to dark... you really just can't win.

Jul 11, 2013 at 09:45 AM

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Hey all,

I think I would hate if a thread where I had posted 2 really nice shots ended up turning into a thread about color managed browsers and calibrated monitors... Some clipping of channels can happen, as long as the photo looks presentable that's what's key. There is a difference between a shot where whites are blown out because the shot was overexposed, and one where a color channel, especially red is slightly hot.

There is a case for helping other photographers when highlights are clearly blown so that the shot is really degraded, and in most cases the presenting photographer had not realized that or the importance of containing highlights. But that is not the case here. The photos Justin has presented here, when viewed artistically, the photo's present themselves very well.

I am not pointing anyone out, everyone has commented in a friendly helpful manner as is typical here, and it's very easy for one or two comments to be fine and vauable. But I think here without anyone realizing it, unless one is viewing the thread again as a whole, is how all this off topic talk has now snowballed as everyone adds in their two cents. it seems like everyone's frustrations with color management has built up and that every so often we just need to let that frustration out... but here in this thread, let's just get back to enjoying the beauty of Justin's work from the Tetons...

Jim

Jul 11, 2013 at 11:40 AM

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Hi Justin. Superb light in #2. I enjoy that crop and the way you recorded that scene.

In number 1, I feel like the tree on the right is pretty cramped in the comp. I put my hand over it, and like the picture much better with the tree gone. The good thing is you don't really lose any of the mountains with beautiful light on them by cropping in from the right.

Jul 11, 2013 at 02:11 PM

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The Moulton Barn shot is one of the very best I've ever seen. The light is just so perfect.

Jul 11, 2013 at 03:51 PM

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Caught the barn on home page recent photo's and the great light caught my eye.. Had to come to give it a more serious look. Well done.
Question... did you use the new eliptical tool in LR5 to bring out even more light on the barn.. or was that all from natural light.

Jul 11, 2013 at 11:09 PM

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#1 for me Justin, Great shot

-Tim

Jul 12, 2013 at 02:12 AM

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Thanks a lot guys, I appreciate it.

IndyFab wrote:
Caught the barn on home page recent photo's and the great light caught my eye.. Had to come to give it a more serious look. Well done.
Question... did you use the new eliptical tool in LR5 to bring out even more light on the barn.. or was that all from natural light.

I've only played around with the eliptical tool but I haven't used it seriously in any of my photos yet.

This was all natural light with curves, saturation, color balance adjustments. It was also a manual blend of two exposures. This was shot on my D800E and I probably could've used one file because that's just how good it is, but I bracketed, so I used my darker file to blend in some of the highlights in the clouds.

On a good morning, the east facing side of the barn really gets some brilliant light.

Jul 12, 2013 at 08:02 AM

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Justin, I grew up in Jackson and have been to this location many times. I can say this is one of the best shots I have seen of this barn. Good work!

Jul 12, 2013 at 10:21 AM

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Just saw Jim Fox's last post in this thread. Well, if anyone gets a comment from me that they have some hot spots, as opposed to "blown" ones, it's because the photo is at that level of critique. If we're only supposed to point out glaring problems, then a lot of photographers here have nothing to gain from asking for comments. Regardless, I am sorry that the discussion devolved into off-topic technical banter.

By the way, Justin, if you do give any more breathing room to that tree, it probably doesn't have to be much.

Jul 12, 2013 at 03:45 PM

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Terrific work!

Jul 12, 2013 at 03:53 PM

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Excellent work

Jul 12, 2013 at 03:55 PM

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Phrasikleia wrote:
Just saw Jim Fox's last post in this thread. Well, if anyone gets a comment from me that they have some hot spots, as opposed to "blown" ones, it's because the photo is at that level of critique. If we're only supposed to point out glaring problems, then a lot of photographers here have nothing to gain from asking for comments. Regardless, I am sorry that the discussion devolved into off-topic technical banter.

I took no offense at all Phrasikleia. I always appreciate your insight and your fantastic work definitely backs up any critiques you have. I hope that I never reach the mindset in which I think I'm too good for constructive criticism and I hope none of us do.

Jul 12, 2013 at 05:02 PM

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I really enjoyed gazing at both images. I think both are great examples of catching great light when it's there. I love how the barn is lit up and the sun streaming through the clouds in #2..well that's wicked sweet. Nicely done on both of them.

Jul 13, 2013 at 05:48 PM

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Classical...

Jul 13, 2013 at 10:53 PM

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