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p.3 #1 · How much do the mirrorless systems threaten Canon and Nikon DSLRs?


I think that either now or in the near future, there will be no reason for most people to buy a low-end DSLR.

Even now, I think the only reason to buy a low-end DSLR is if you plan to slowly amass a great lens collection, eventually upgrading to an excellent DSLR. For those who just buy a Rebel with a couple of kit lenses, 4/3 systems (either now or in the very near future) provide better portability and at least equal IQ.

I think the day is a long, long way off when 4/3 replaces high-end/FF DSLRs.

And phones built into cameras are rapidly replacing P&S cameras in people's kits.

JMO

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May 25, 2013 at 11:07 AM
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I have been thinking about a mirrorless camera. I have about 20 EOS and Alt lenses. While doing some reading I see a ton of remarks from shooters who are so happy moving away from DSLR systems to one of the mirrorless alternatives. There are a lot of new solid, smaller lenses now and you can also adapt all kinds of older lenses quite easily which appeals to certain shooters.

It seems like both Canon and Nikon are not on the market cutting edge here. The Fuji, Sony, Olympus and Panasonic cameras and lenses are quite popular.

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It's all good.

I have a full-frame Canon DSLR system that works beautifully for much of my work and which quickly and easily supports a huge range of lenses and can be used to produce very large prints.

I also have a fine little Fujifilm X-E1, with its excellent Fujinon lenses, which produces excellent image quality and whose small size and light weight are perfect for certain kinds of shooting. (Including the shooting I'm doing today.)

Two things:

1. There is no one perfect camera, brand, format, or type of camera. Each has its pluses and minuses and it is unlikely in the near term that any one will replace or "threaten" the other. I'm happy to have choices.

2. As the mirrorless systems evolve, there is a great chance that they will work will in more and situations, including some in which they don't work nearly as well as the DSLRs now.

It is a great time to be a photographer.

Dan



May 25, 2013 at 11:13 AM
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My $0.02:

The photographic SYSTEM is going to lead, much like it has in the last 30 years.

As others have pointed out, mirrorless is already taking over for the consumers/advanced-consumers. Professionals or advanced-amateurs won't be won over until an entire system is developed and COMMITTED to. The system includes cameras, lenses, flashes, and accessories. I'm not sure that any mirrorless lens offerings are targeted at professionals. Even if they did start to offer some, they would have to prove that they'll stay committed to their lineup.

Some have pointed to how Kodak misread the clues for digital taking over from film. Don't
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Good points The mirrorless offerings are still living at the upper end of the P&S world and as such are great photographic "gadgets" I tried a Panasonic G1 a few years back. The EVF was exceptional even back then. But the AF and overall IQ were not there yet. I still think they manly fit in the travel/hiking/small kit segment.

Now cell phones is another growing segment. The IQ on an iPhone 4 is very good, but the fixed WA lensing limits its utility.

Regardless of what you shoot, its the tool behind the screen that makes the photograph. Getting a new gadget camera won't improve that for you. The right lens, technique & patience can make a difference.

Heck, I've added film cameras to my collection for the experience and they don't travel light!



May 25, 2013 at 11:20 AM
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p.3 #4 · How much do the mirrorless systems threaten Canon and Nikon DSLRs?


Of all the recent trends in the market I think the camera phone and its affect on P&S has had and continues to have the biggest impact. Aside from the obvious effect on P&S volumes and profitability I think the bigger long-term impact is how it affects Canon's R&D and fixed costs amortized over their entire product line. This is particularly true because Canon continues to pursue a fabfull model rather than the fabless model of their competitors. Making the vertically-integrated fab fullmodel work requires high volume production utilization, which the camera phone market is threatening since Canon doesn't sell sensors into that market like Sony does.


May 25, 2013 at 11:58 AM
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snapsy wrote:
Of all the recent trends in the market I think the camera phone and its affect on P&S has had and continues to have the biggest impact. Aside from the obvious effect on P&S volumes and profitability I think the bigger long-term impact is how it affects Canon's R&D and fixed costs amortized over their entire product line.


Absolutely. The development costs of those high performance super teles is certainly not driven by their own sales numbers even at $10K+.



May 25, 2013 at 06:12 PM
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Absolutely. The development costs of those high performance super teles is certainly not driven by their own sales numbers even at $10K+.


I don't know that I agree with this economic analysis. In a market as crowded and mature as the lower-end DSLR/P&S photography market, there's simply no way that a company can recover its costs on higher level products by charging more for a $200 camera; if they do, they won't sell any.

A product like the Canon superteles has a long life; lots of time to amortize R&D.



May 25, 2013 at 06:55 PM
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I've said elsewhere that I'd have happily turned in my D700 for a full frame x100-type camera, fixed lens and all...and I bought that D700 specifically for wedding photography. Now that we're exiting the business, I'm either selling all our gear and keeping my D3000 and 35/1.8, buying a D5100 to go with that lens, or buying an x100s. No matter what, we're selling our D700s (we have two), both flashes, and 35, 50, 50, and 85 primes. The D700 image quality is great, but besides the full frame factor, the IQ of APS-C cameras these days is close enough, and an x100s would be small enough to fit in my pocket, which I just can't do with a D700. The crop Nikons are under consideration because they're cheaper than the x100s while still smaller and lighter than a D700.


May 25, 2013 at 07:18 PM
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If the question is "do mirrorless cameras meet a number of camera enthusiast's needs better than many low-end DSLRs?", the answer is yes. You've seen a number of replies here. I currently only use an APS-C DSLR for wildlife, pet or sports photography, leaving other categories that I do (street, travel, family, macro landscapes) to my EM-5 and various Oly/Pany lenses. In those latter categories, the EM-5 is at least as good as an APS-C DSLR, perhaps better due to the excellent olympus lenses. It's interface is a bit troublesome, but its size more than makes up for it.

If the question is from a market share/business/industry perspective, we first have to make a few definitions/ground rules. First, a good amount of the relevant data is either in the companies' financial reports or from CIPA. Second, "success" is defined as sales, which is a function of marketing, distribution, and only peripherally about camera capabilities (or what we think of them here on FM).


That being said, IMO the prognosis for the large three mirror-less makers (Sony, Panasonic, and Olympus) is fair within enthusiast realm, and decent-to-poor in the consumer realm. They are competitive in the enthusiast realm, but that's a vary narrow space dominated by many different choices. Canon and Nikon's prospects over the next few years is far better IMO, especially since they've bracketed the mirrorless realm product wise and because I think it's likely they'll introduce mirrorless replacements for their low-end cameras in the next few years. However, I'm fairly sure Sony will stay in the camera market, unsure about the other mirrorless makers.

For all the talk on photo internet boards of full frame cameras, $1000 cameras and interchangeable lenses, this enthusiast part of overall camera sales is not terribly large and is dwarfed by pro sales and especially consumer sales. Full frame cameras I'm told will not account for even 10% of DSLR sales this year; meaning that 90% of 2013 DSLR sales will be APS-C.

  1. Canikon dominate the pro market - i.e. people who make their full income from photography - generally sports, photojournalism, weddings, events, portrait studios, architecture. Were I to go into almost all these areas, I believe I'd be at a professional disadvantage if I used a mirrorless camera as my primary camera.

  2. The consumer market - people who buy a camera and according to the CIPA profiles buy 1.5 lenses for that camera - is reaching a point of saturation. However, in the US, Olympus and Panasonic are invisible in the consumer arena, and indeed the only companies with mirrorless offerings in the consumer area are Nikon (J1, seen at Target, Wal-mart and Costco) and Sony (seen at consumer electronic stores as well as their own stores). Still, the amount of space at these places for consumer DSLRs is greater than for mirrorless offerings. The situation in Japan and the rest of Asia is slightly better, but still Canikon are juggernauts in terms of market presence/power.


The CIPA 2012 numbers show that mirrorless sales are roughly 1/2 of DSLR sales, but carving out those numbers shows other things. First, the Nikon J1 is the largest selling camera with over 10% of mirrorless sales (again, showing how well Nikon's done in creating and establishing itself as worldwide still camera marketing juggernaut). Olympus and Sony's flagship cameras rank 3% of sales each, about 50% ahead of the Nikon V1 and Canon EOS-M. (note that the Pentax Q counted for 5.8% of 2012 sales, almost as much as the EM-5 and NEX-7 combined) Even more troubling for Sony/Olympus/Panasonic, most of their best selling cameras were earlier models which were sold at large discounts; beyond the EM-5 and NEX-7 the sales rankings of their current generation cameras were low. (the NEX-5N falls halfway between a current/last generation camera in 2012)

From the corporate statements, still cameras are an infinitesimal portion of Panasonic sales, rather small (10-15% IIRC) at Olympus and about the same proportion at Sony. Sony has signaled quite clearly it is committed to cameras, and claims interchangeable lens sales showed good profits in 2012, one of the few bright spots in its camera/video division. Olympus' camera group has reaffirmed its commitment to higher end cameras, but its camera group is not projected, by themselves, to make a profit for at least the next several years (see, for instance, Thom Hogan's discussion which casts abundant reasonable doubt even about Oly's own projections). At Panasonic, I'm sure kitchen appliances are far more important than all video/still camera sales. Bottom line, Sony, Olympus, Panasonic all showed losses in 2012 in their imaging divisions, have affirmed that they will become profitable again by going up market (targeting enthusiasts and presumably rationalizing their consumer products). This is in a context where Canikon both did well in 2012 sales (Nikon excellently, being profitable even in consumer point and shoots).

  1. The pressure to perform in the (stable or perhaps even declining) enthusiast market will be enormous this year as everyone believes this will be the way to increase sales or (in the case of Canikon) wear out smaller competitors (bleed Sony, possibly knock out Olympus and Panasonic). In particular, Canikon wants to move enthusiast to full frame, because that's where their profit margins are highest and where I'm sure their marketing folks have found that the people spend the most on higher profit margin lenses. [IMO, this is wrong-headed, and they should keep as many people as happy as possible at all price levels. This has almost certainly been one of the reasons mirrorless cameras have done well in the enthusiast market. ]

  2. In the consumer market, volume, marketing and distribution will decide. Olympus, Panasonic and Sony have a good rationale for their cameras but I don't know that their game is so good in those three areas to make significant inroads into the cheap/low end DSLR market. Especially since Canikon are defending their turf there very aggressively (reg: Canon's entry level lines for the past few years). Mirrorless cameras for this market are viewed as competitors, bridge cameras and/or women's cameras and this guides the company's market strategies.


Finally, I think a disruptive camera will emerge in the consumer space in next 5 years or so, and probably not from the Japanese camera makers (this is beyond the cell phone eating away the low end). Video is I believe in the early stages of such a transition, and I think it will eventually hit stills. Sony and Samsung will do well by copying whatever this disruptive camera is. Canon is also well positioned, IMO, in the video and stills field to survive, make its own iterations and prosper once that happens. I'm not so sure about Nikon (even though it's big enough to survive quite a while, and its sales are almost all still cameras today), and am decidedly unsure about Oly, Panasonic and Pentax.

So, what's my $0.02 on this?

Sony is committed to imaging both in video and in stills (and really, the difference these days is increasingly interface decisions and firmware), and I think they'll stay, especially if they do well in the enthusiast segment. (I don't see anyone breaking into the pro still photography market, which is dominated by Canikon. FWIW, I believe Canon and Sony dominate the pro video market, another plus for Sony).

Oly and Panasonic's camera ops are net losers in two highly competitive, non growing markets (enthusiast and consumer interchangeable lens cameras) with enormous competition. Again, they're positioned decently in the enthusiast realm, but poorly in the consumer realm as far as I've seen. I would like them to continue, but I wouldn't be surprised if in a few years Sony bought them both out.

I think Canikon - especially Canon - will continue doing well for the foreseable future, holding/increasing their market share in the enthusiast market. When the disruptive camera hits the market, Canon will transition well. I'm not so sure about Nikon, but we'll see.


[I've not mentioned Fujifilm or Leica because they are small scale vendors who march to their own drummers. Indeed, Thom Hogan did the math and showed that even if Fuji sold zero cameras, it still would not significantly affect Fuji's annual profit because the the various cameras are a tiny part of Fujifilm's operations. ]

Sorry for the rant.



May 25, 2013 at 07:27 PM
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I'm a owner of high end DSLRS targeted at both sports with high frame rates and long lenses and landscape with tilt & shift and ultra wide FOV. I can't see mirrorless offering the best solution for this kind of work.

But I also own a mirrorless system and its high quality small lenses, EVF, and smaller size and I can definitely see it carving out a substantial part of the market for those looking for a street camera or a travel alternative. And I'm sure there will many more who will find it meets all of there needs.

For me a viable mirrorless system has to offer a good low noise sensor and a complete line of small, but high performance lenses. Systems like the EOS-M just don't qualify. With only one native lens and no viewfinder its just not up to the current leaders like Sony's NEX or Fuji's X system which was my choice. I chose the Fuji more on ergonomics (like the straight forward way of dealing with aperture, shutter speed and exposure compensation) and potential lens offering but I could have gone either way. The limitation of the the 4/3 sensor size is the reason I ruled out the Olympus OM system.

My expectation is the current APS-C cameras will all get to 24 megapixels like Sony and they will be great choices. I do believe the EVF's have to get better as well and be more responsive but that will happen I'm sure.
Either way the future is bright and there will be plenty of gear to buy and choices available.



May 25, 2013 at 08:13 PM
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Here's another thing to think about:

I think the only camera makers positioned to introduce a pro-level mirrorless camera are Canikon, and they won't do it because they have no reason to.

Justification:

Canikon, both, have the hybrid AF sensor technology, which is the only way they'll ever be able to AF quickly enough for sports, wildlife, etc. They also have the existing pro-level glass that can then be used with whatever new camera they create. They would then have loyal pro-level customer bases that would be willing to give the new camera body a try (since it would fit into their existing equipment).

None of the other makers those things in place. More importantly, though Canikon have the capability to design and release such a camera, they have no incentive to. All the pro's already use their equipment, anyway.

What could really happen is that one of the others may release a camera that might then force Canikon to follow or risk falling behind.



May 25, 2013 at 09:19 PM
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When will this happen? Shrug, my crystal ball is currently missing, but I think we are approaching the tipping point. I also suspect that the real break through camera won't come from Canikon. They're both in reactive/protect mode.

I would actually say the reverse. At least in the west. If it was going to happen, it would have happened already (like it has elsewhere). I know a lot of people who have started pursuing photography at least somewhat seriously, and they all have started out by buying a DSLR. Not a mirrorless.

I could speculate as to the reasons but I know what I see. The only people buying mirrorless here are the ones who already own a DSLR system and are looking for something more compact but still offering some of the DSLR features (exchangeable lenses is the main one). Nobody, at least no one in the clubs or circles I'm in, is buying a mirrorless as their first serious camera. Yet we know that mirrorless is a viable product, or market, because they sell like crazy in many places.

There are plenty of times in life where a lot of people think/expect/assume that something will happen, but it still doesn't for whatever reason (or for no reason at all).



May 26, 2013 at 03:15 AM
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At the end of the day, its the $-bill that drives what is available. The ability for a corporation to continue in a forward manner is driven by lowering costs, improving margins while at the same time increasing its SOM. Those that can chart a path with anticipated market curves and stick to it will most likely succeed. Thus goes the SOP (standard operating procedure) or marching orders for most corporations.

The ability to quickly understand market changes and effectively react to them will keep a company profitable. This key ability has been the savior, and lack of it, the Achilles Heal of many businesses. Unfortunately it seems the larger you are the more conservative you become in managing from a traditionalist point of view. It just takes longer to convince more people in a organization the need to fund change. In the mean time more nimble entities take the lead in change which finally gets the attention of the big dogs in turn helping to convince their bloated managerial infrastructure to play catch-up.

This vicious cycle continues.....

Personally, (as others have indicated) I expect the big two to eventually replace their top line with a mirrorless solution. Its only a matter of time.



May 26, 2013 at 08:37 AM
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schlotz actually the concept you described is a good thing, not a bad thing. It's what keeps businesses smaller and more efficient and what has stopped one or only a few businesses from becoming massive and "taking over" the world.

I don't think the 'big two' will ever pursue mirrorless with any real effort. I've worked at companies like this before, on projects that would compete with the main line -- most of the time these projects are intentionally crippled out of fear that they may cannibalize or replace the main line.

IMO even if mirrorless were to become the de-facto replacement for DSLRs everywhere in the world, they would sooner fade into obscurity then put out a good mirrorless system.



May 26, 2013 at 09:41 AM
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Agreed, the "vicious cycle" was meant to be somewhat facetious as in "will they ever learn?"

Just retired from from one of those (different industry all together) and the crippling effect you mentioned along with the stigma of "not invented here" was alive and well. It really would require a perceived major threat to get them off their collective, single minded butts



May 26, 2013 at 10:03 AM
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amacal1 wrote:
Here's another thing to think about:

I think the only camera makers positioned to introduce a pro-level mirrorless camera are Canikon, and they won't do it because they have no reason to.


You apparently have not yet used a Fujifilm X-Pro1 or X-E1...

And to the person who wrote something along the lines of the only people who buy a mirrorless are those who already own a DSLR,, a) not exactly true, and b) that's a classic spin of a positive as a negative. (If we think of "serious photographer" as a person who shoots with a DSLR - and, yes, it is far from that simple - the fact that such people are among or the majority of those who get high-end mirrorless cameras suggests their potential for success, rather than a shortcoming.)

There is no "threat" or "war" or anything else here. DSLRs do some things very, very well - which I why I rely on them. But that does not mean that they will do everything better than other options, and in this case the small mirrorless systems can do some things better than the larger DSLR systems already - which is why I have one of these systems, too.

Also keep in mind that the thing that many here might regard as the defining camera - the DSLR - has only been around (really) for a roughly a decade and it supplanted a sort of camera (film SLR, mostly) that had only really been around and predominant for a few decades before that.

The story of camera technology has not been at all one of establishing some fixed tool that became the primary and unchallenged tool for all uses for all time. Rather, it has been a technology that provided many variations suited for specific types of usage (view cameras, MF, rangefinder, SLR, point and shoot, Polaroid, etc) and in which the underlying camera technology has continuously evolved.

This does not support a belief that the DSLR is necessarily the be all and end all of camera design.

Dan

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May 26, 2013 at 10:04 AM
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IMO even if mirrorless were to become the de-facto replacement for DSLRs everywhere in the world, they would sooner fade into obscurity then put out a good mirrorless system.


Really? You think the two giants in the photo biz would just give up and fade away because the market moved into developing a newer and slightly different form factor? There is no way Canikon will just give this business to Sony, Fuji, Pentax, Olympus, Panasonic, etc.

Mirrorless systems are becoming popular for several reasons. How much critical mass is hard to say. Some of these cameras are cheap and some cost real money. Canon and Nikon have already released some samples but they have not received the reviews they would have hoped for. They are not going to throw their toys out of the cot and sulk though. There is money to be made in producing tech gadgets that work well and capture the imagination of the public. There is huge competition here but both Canon and Nikon have the staff and resources to produce.

My main question as the OP is will all this impact the research and development of DSLR systems? I really don't think the DSLR is "dead man walking" as others have suggested. But the wave of mirrorless systems will increase. The current Canikons might not change as much as some fear, it could be that the cameras will ditch the prism box and mirror and add a high performance electronic eye portal...



May 26, 2013 at 10:07 AM
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If Canon wont make something reasonable soon, they will face that oblivion. Nikon is same case.

Obviously "soon" in this case means 1-3 years. But mirrorless market is pretty fast. Thanks mainly to Sony and Panasonic.



May 26, 2013 at 10:30 AM
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Fuji is a player at this table as well. Pentax is also quite popular in Japan where all this tech comes from...


May 26, 2013 at 10:37 AM
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I would actually say the reverse. At least in the west. If it was going to happen, it would have happened already (like it has elsewhere). I know a lot of people who have started pursuing photography at least somewhat seriously, and they all have started out by buying a DSLR. Not a mirrorless.

I could speculate as to the reasons but I know what I see. The only people buying mirrorless here are the ones who already own a DSLR system and are looking for something more compact but still offering some of the DSLR features (exchangeable lenses is
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Your analysis of mirrorless camera sales being driven by (at least as you say "here in the west") by those who own DSLRs and need/want something more compact is probably correct. That's certainly the reason I just purchased a used OM-D. (Smart how they made it look like a classic camera.)

We really don't have the data to "prove" who buys mirrorless cameras because there is no "exit poll" at BestBuy or more important Amazon and other online retailers. I speculate (again because no one has actually studied it) that most people who have started pursuing photography at least somewhat seriously, ... started out by buying a DSLR did so because they believe the DSLR "looks" like a "real" camera. This led them to believe that if they were going to take good pictures they needed to have a real camera like the pros they've seen on TV and such. I also don't argue that at this moment that any mirrorless camera can out perform a DSLR.

My belief in the imminent "death of the DSLR" springs from knowledge of the work several fields. Reduced to its essentials a digital camera requires something to direct (bend, diffract, focus) light (the lens), something to make the A/D translation (the sensor), something to impose order on that mass of data (the processor), and a storage or display mechanism. Of course this all has to happen in a blink of an eye. There's some really interesting things being done in fiber optics that hint at "light bending" without benefit of glass. There's no doubt that sensors will improve and the ability to program their output is frankly in its early stages. While the use of fast Fourier transformations is well established, some of the mathematical techniques beginning to emerge from "chaos theory" likely will allow ever faster and more complex transformations.

What will this new "camera" look like? Hard to say, but at first guess I'd say something like a pair of binoculars or even closer a night scope with some sort of transmission of data to off device storage. Also inherent in the "post - DSLR" world is that the conception and expression of an image will change. As far as I can tell no one ever recorded Matthew Brady's response to George Eastman's new fangled film. Yet all one has to do is look at the historical record of images from both eras and it's easy to see that the conception of "picture" changed. The arrival of emulsion film that could render a version of color utterly altered "picture."

I believe that the DSLR will be rendered obsolete not by a camera maker but by someone coming out of a totally different field - optics, material science, mathematics - all will be involved. Will I use such a device? Hard to say. The SLR form factor has lasted far longer than it logically should have. For a great many of us it "works." But then maybe we are all just "stuck in the past" and a later generation will make the change. Hard to theorize, but will be fascinating to watch.

Robert



May 26, 2013 at 11:40 AM
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Really? You think the two giants in the photo biz would just give up and fade away because the market moved into developing a newer and slightly different form factor? There is no way Canikon will just give this business to Sony, Fuji, Pentax, Olympus, Panasonic, etc.


Yes. At the offset, a lot of companies are run on ego, not good common sense or survival instinct. They would rather do things their way till the very end than admit they were wrong and change course. A few years pass this way, and by the time they are able to realise their survival is threatened, even if they do choose at that point to do something about it, it's too late.

IMO in the west, it might not be mirrorless that catches on at all, but the next big thing, whatever that is.

OntheRez, I think it's more cultural. I get what I say purely from being in a few large local clubs (roughly a hundred active members in the largest one) and from being around other photographers, observing and listening. And I see enough people who are starting to pursue photography seriously just by nature of who I associate with, plus what I do. When I say cultural, think perhaps of something like the sportscar or even the small economy car versus the SUV. Where I live, consumers would still be buying the SUVs en masse were it not for the high price of gasoline. The other thing is, very few people in photography use the forums (this site or others) at all; I see two different worlds in photography but I only think of one of them as being real.



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