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p.1 #1 · Strange Jpeg Night Sky effect


I knew jpeg encoding was sometimes causing some trouble, but this is very strange:
the pictures hereunder are the same picture, out of camera, zero extra processing (other than resizing), the first one being the jpeg (standard settings, vivid colors), and the second one the embedded jpeg in the raw file (the "circles" are visible too, but much less visible).
This is the first time I see such a pixelization in one of my pictures (because of the discrete blue levels)
I didn't print yet, I see it on all my screens. Any comment ?

Shot with a Zeiss 50 1.4 ZF2 fully open on the D800


D8B_3418 by gugs, on Flickr


D8B_34181 by gugs, on Flickr

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May 20, 2013 at 02:22 PM
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p.1 #2 · Strange Jpeg Night Sky effect


I say its the color bit depth that the jpeg was rendered with that is creating the banding


May 20, 2013 at 02:31 PM
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p.1 #3 · Strange Jpeg Night Sky effect


BenV wrote:
I say its the color bit depth that the jpeg was rendered with that is creating the banding


This and compression artifacts. I see it all the time with smooth gradients like the sky in this image.



May 20, 2013 at 02:54 PM
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p.1 #4 · Strange Jpeg Night Sky effect


Did you say you see the circles LESS in the second one?

I see the circles much more in the second one.

This is called posterization. It's a result of the compression of the file, and is most easily seen - as you see it here - in very smooth gradients. Seems clear to me - though I've never tested - that the embedded JPG in that NEF is of lower quality than the highest quality settings in-camera.



May 20, 2013 at 03:46 PM
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p.1 #5 · Strange Jpeg Night Sky effect


This has been going on for many years. You see it especially in the clear blue sky gradiants. Just edit your raw file, and keep it at 16 bit. If you convert the raw to 8bit jpg, you will see the banding again.

Back in the days of 6mp digital files, I mostly converted from raw to jpg for processing. Since I shoot mostly landscapes, when I realized that 8bit files would show banding, and instead converting to 16 bit files didn't (unless pushed too much in processing) I stopped converting to jpg's and started converting to tiff files for processing. And I have been doing so ever since...

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May 20, 2013 at 05:18 PM
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p.1 #6 · Strange Jpeg Night Sky effect


Reduce the in-camera contrast, add it back in post. This should make the effect go away. Coming from a committed JPEG shooter.





May 20, 2013 at 07:54 PM
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p.1 #7 · Strange Jpeg Night Sky effect


also, view at a consistant mag, ie, 25 50 or 100% and i doubt you will notice it


May 21, 2013 at 01:30 PM
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p.1 #8 · Strange Jpeg Night Sky effect


the embedded jpeg is only meant to be used as a reference picture, so it's very highly compressed... I would stick with the RAW file it's from, and process the image without too much further compression...


May 21, 2013 at 10:30 PM





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