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recdaco
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p.1 #1 · Spot, spot go away


Hi there,

I just noticed a spot on my D800 sensor that looks much darker than any dust spot I've ever seen (sample is below). I tried to blow it off with air, but that didn't help at all, so I brought it into my local camera shop. They tried to swab it with a wet swab, but it still didn't want to go away. When the shop looked at the sensor under a loupe, they said it looks like a little white spec. However, without the loop you can't see it at all. Anybody have an idea what it could be? I'd rather not have to send it in to Nikon, but I don't want to send it off for a professional cleaning only to have the spec still there.

Thanks for the help!



May 19, 2013 at 06:13 PM
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p.1 #2 · Spot, spot go away


Acetone and cotton buds (on wooden stems - not plastics) will remove it.

Do not touch anything plastic with the acetone - the sensor and low pass filter are not plastic and neither is the immediate frame around the sensor. (IIRC)

Am pretty sure this is what Nikon use to clean sensors with.



May 19, 2013 at 07:01 PM
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p.1 #3 · Spot, spot go away


Thanks, Slug. Do you have any clue what it is? Just want to make sure it's not actually damage to the sensor itself.


May 19, 2013 at 08:12 PM
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I use acetone in my business all the time and the problem with it AFAIC is it dries so fast it's hard to remove anything by wiping it off. We've found it will dissolve something and then leave part of whatever it dissolved in a film if you don't wipe it off fully (close to impossible) which becomes even harder to clean off. What's wrong with Eclispe on a swab or a Sensor swab?


May 19, 2013 at 11:15 PM
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I found that if you rotate the cotton bud (on a wooden stem) as you wipe it, there is no residue left over.

I have no idea what it is. If it is white and is stuck on hard, it must be some kind of adhesive left there when they made it, otherwise I have no idea what it could be. The acetone should get it. I don't know of anything acetone doesn't zap.



May 20, 2013 at 01:50 AM
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p.1 #6 · Spot, spot go away


Slug69 wrote:
I don't know of anything acetone doesn't zap.


that's the scary part!



May 20, 2013 at 07:51 AM
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p.1 #7 · Spot, spot go away


rd4tile wrote:
that's the scary part!


That's correct.
Using acetone on a $3,000 camera is far different than using it on a $150 D70

You have already read Roger Cicala's opinion on cleaning D800 sensors under the BEST circumstances. It makes him nervous, because a replacement sensor is $1,800. So you better know what you are doing with the right tools before you start using uncommon sensor cleaning chemicals.

There are many You Tube videos that show acetone just eating up plastic, Styrofoam, etc. for fun.

My advice is to stick with known cleaning solutions, like Eclipse.



May 20, 2013 at 07:58 AM
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p.1 #8 · Spot, spot go away


My feeling is that it is so close to the edge that their swabbing didn't remove the spot. If methanol doesn't remove it then I'd send it to Nikon. I'd think twice about using acetone.


May 20, 2013 at 03:01 PM
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p.1 #9 · Spot, spot go away


Its the same risk as holding your camera above a concrete floor.

I am not saying you pour half a litre inside your mirror box and swirl it around. Just dampen your cotton swab and dab at the spot then get a dry one onto it rolling up any residue.

I have done so on my D7100 as well.



May 20, 2013 at 04:08 PM
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I clean sensors under a stereomicroscope, and can't imagine how anyone gets a sensor really clean with just a loupe. Quite a bit of dust that is easily observed under a stereomicroscope is difficult or impossible to see under a loupe. Lest someone suggest that such small particles won't affect actual shooting, this depends on what kind of shooting you do. If you attach microscope objectives to your cameras, as I often do, very small particles on the sensor can be a real problem. (And if you stack hundreds of images for extended depth of field, as I do, you want to minimize the need to digitally retouch dust spots.)

Another good thing about working under a low-powered stereomicroscope is that it's often possible to visually recognize what a stubborn spot is comprised of, which helps in deciding how to clean it off. Most of what I see, on my sensors and those of friends and family, is skin flakes and textile fibers. And if you ever examine random house dust under a compound microscope, these two components will typically form a large portion of what you'll find. Some skin flakes can stick as if glued to a sensor, and when finally removed, will leave a trail of oil behind. Given rather limited information, I'd suspect that the OP's speck may well be a skin flake.

Removing stubborn skin flakes is something I would do fairly late in the cleaning process, after several rounds of air blowing and visual examination; then one or more broad wet cleanings with alcohol (either vodka, drugstore rubbing alcohol, or hardware store methyl alcohol--not Eclipse or other expensive frippery) and inexpensive generic sensor-wide swabs (often recovered with sliced Pec Pads). When all is clear except a few stubborn spots, it's time to closely examine and remove those spots. A tightly stuck skin flake requires a small swab--at the largest, a bit of Pec Pad fastened around a pencil eraser. On the smaller end, a bit of Pec Pad fastened around the end of a toothpick. Moisten the pad slightly with alcohol, and remove the flake. Sometimes this requires a surprising amount of pressure, but I've yet to scratch a low-pass filter. Must admit that I'm tempted by Slug69's suggestion of acetone for this specific purpose. I may have to experiment. A key point here is that one would be using a very small amount of the solvent, and that it would be applied onto a very small swab. If the acetone dissolves this particular oil more readily than alcohol does, this might reduce the amount of pressure that needs to be applied to the swab, and further reduce risk.

Typically, once a really stubborn skin flake budges, it leaves an oily skid mark, which should be removed with yet another small swab. Cut portions of Pec Pads will drop textile fibers, but these do not adhere and are readily blown off.

A thorough cleaning like this might take 6-12 swabs, small and large. So reusing swab sticks and recovering them with Pec Pads is an important part of keeping the process inexpensive. Also, it's quite possible to get several useful passes out of a single swab--if between passes, you pour alcohol over the swab tip, wipe it and squeeze it with clean Pec Pads, and blow it dry with canned air.

I would not personally send a sensor out for "professional" cleaning. The sensors that friends have brought me, fresh from a small variety of professional shops, have never so far been truly clean. I don't believe any of these had been cleaned under a stereo microscope, or by someone who was really thorough. That a shop would leave a large speck near the edge of the sensor surprises me not at all.

Cheers,

--Chris




May 21, 2013 at 01:47 AM
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p.1 #11 · Spot, spot go away


I hope Chris lives near me...






May 21, 2013 at 08:06 AM
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p.1 #12 · Spot, spot go away


M635_Guy wrote:
I hope Chris lives near me...



Hah! I live in Ohio, but was in NC just yesterday.



May 21, 2013 at 03:20 PM





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