I'm going to get one after a few more reviews and the 1st firmware update.... The software engineer in me will not allow me to get v1.0 of anything....
I'm going to get one after a few more reviews and the 1st firmware update.... The software engineer in me will not allow me to get v1.0 of anything....
That's why many (if not most) cameras today ship with firmware that starts higher than 1.0.0
Edward Castro wrote:
That's the nice thing about canon, you want small p&s with plenty of control, G15, want a large sensor p&s, and G1X, mirror-less, EOS M, small DSLR, SL1. Canon does give us so many choices. For me I wanted a small kit so I went with the G1X.
You're not supposed to be so positive. This is the Canon gear forum where can only whine 'n bitch like clucking hens about Canon's failings...
I'd look at either the RX100 or an APS-C compact with fixed prime, such as the new Ricoh GR. Otherwise, for about the same or lower price point there's the NEX system in various flavors kitted with the 16-50 collapsible zoom, which will give you a class-leading APS-C sensor. If cost was no object, the RX1 is fabulous - its lens is probably one of the best 35mm lenses ever (very smooth background rendering for this focal length).
Being able to use existing Canon lenses from your kit is definitely a consideration and the size of the SL1 is appealing, but if it's a question of as compact as possible, Canon doesn't really have attractively competitive options at the moment (though I'm kind of a fan of the EOS-M concept, just that its functional capabilities (sensor, AF speed) seem to be a few generations behind the CSC competition).
stanj wrote:
My 5D3 is without grip because it's always been the "baby camera" next to the 1DX. Now the SL1 has that job. And no it doesn't require a strap or anything; it fits nicely in my hand. The strap would double its size.
And the Rebel would be noticeably bigger without adding any actual value. Love the SL1!
So how are you going to carry it?
If it's in a case then there is no benefit over a Rebel, you save maybe an inch and 100 grams
I'm in the same position, I tried out M4/3 but as I started building up a kit, it seemed that I was adding more gear and defeating my quest for simplicity and light weight, and I just had more gear to manage.
I love my Canon bodies, but couldn't make the jump from a 7D to a rebel...the interface change was annoying for the small (to me) weight savings. The IQ sure looks good though from friends that have them.
I'm looking forward to getting an SL1 for a light, packable camera. It does seem small enough to justify the trade off in features and a different interface. I picked up a 28/1.8, between that, the 40mm pancake and the 18-55 stm, should be a nice kit.
Like Edward, I'll probably eventually get a G1X (or G2X, later on) or RX100.
Like Scott, I tried M4/3 on the cheap, and kept adding more and more lenses, Alt lenses, a second body, flash, . . . Now it's a bulky mess and defeats the reason I wanted it.
I've been happy with the G10 except for the small sensor and noise.
Today I wanted to to some quick grab shots, but didn't feel the G10 would be quite the quality I wanted. A G1X would have been better for portrait distance (I know, macro setting!) gear shots.
dhphoto wrote:
As long as the subject doesn't move G1X's are terrific.
I've certainly never seen such IQ from a semi-compact
Yup, agree completely! And for one pound weight you have a dependable 2nd body to go with a 5D# system. Can't be beat!
dld542004 wrote:
I LOVE my, oops, my wife's SL1!
Yah, good as the G1X is it has a 4/3 vs a 5/3 aspect ratio for landscapes, it can't do over 1/2 fps, it can't do over 110 mm effective reach and it can't take a macro lens. The SL1 is sure attractive for these given I already have the lenses.
Gochugogi wrote:
You're not supposed to be so positive. This is the Canon gear forum where can only whine 'n bitch like clucking hens about Canon's failings...
How about this: Whine, Canon isn't satisfied with most of my money they want all of it! G1X last year, 5D3 this year and now an SL1 for points in between. When will Canon stop offering gears I can't resist. Of course this is Canon's fault, not mine.
stanj wrote:
My 5D3 is without grip because it's always been the "baby camera" next to the 1DX. Now the SL1 has that job. And no it doesn't require a strap or anything; it fits nicely in my hand. The strap would double its size.
And the Rebel would be noticeably bigger without adding any actual value. Love the SL1!
dhphoto wrote:
So how are you going to carry it?
If it's in a case then there is no benefit over a Rebel, you save maybe an inch and 100 grams
In my hand, held by the barrel of the lens. No strap of any kind.
Gochugogi wrote:
You're not supposed to be so positive. This is the Canon gear forum where can only whine 'n bitch like clucking hens about Canon's failings...
Scott T wrote:
I'm in the same position, I tried out M4/3 but as I started building up a kit, it seemed that I was adding more gear and defeating my quest for simplicity and light weight, and I just had more gear to manage.
I was in the exact same position but with a Sony NEX system until I finally decided to sell everything. It didn't replace my DSLR system but I ended up carrying more stuff.
The battery of my SL1 is being charged right now as we speak but so far, I do like the feel of the compact size and lightweight of the body. The main and compelling reason for me to go for the SL1 is simply because it shares the same lenses with my existing DSLR. If I go on a trip, I can take my 5D Mark III and use the SL1 as a backup or as a second body. There are situations where I would need/prefer a compact and lightweight camera for street shooting, etc. and I can put my heavier 5D Mark III plus L lenses away for that purpose.
I actually wonder how the 15-85 would feel like on the SL1... Is the G1X really better? I have my doubts, having only minimal experience with the 15-85 and none with the G1X...
I think for Canon, this little camera means a lot, G1X is basically "prosumer compact", which is an already dead market segment. SL1 is the way forward, Canon has no (competitive) mirrorless offering and SL1 can give the full DSLR experience (viewfinder, phase-detect focus, etc.) in a smaller package. They need more compact lenses for people to really get the most out of this, give it a few more pancakes like the 40mm f/2.8 and they'll have an answer to rival the competitive mirrorless offerings that are out there.
stanj wrote:
I actually wonder how the 15-85 would feel like on the SL1... Is the G1X really better? I have my doubts, having only minimal experience with the 15-85 and none with the G1X...
DxO rates the G1X lens slightly better than the 15-85. I have both the G1X and 15-85 (on my wife's camera) and I concur, with the G1X being slightly faster at the wide end but only 28 mm fov equivalent. I've compared my 5Dc +24-105 vs the G1X vs the 7D+15-85 and the 5D combo is slightly better as expected but all are much better than G10s and lesser P&Ss. The G1X lens is worthy of the sensor size.
Access wrote:
I think for Canon, this little camera means a lot, G1X is basically "prosumer compact", which is an already dead market segment. SL1 is the way forward, Canon has no (competitive) mirrorless offering and SL1 can give the full DSLR experience (viewfinder, phase-detect focus, etc.) in a smaller package. They need more compact lenses for people to really get the most out of this, give it a few more pancakes like the 40mm f/2.8 and they'll have an answer to rival the competitive mirrorless offerings that are out there.
Well it's the perennial question: How to trade image quality for camera size.
Having recently tried a Panny G5 system I have decided I can't manage with a sensor smaller than about that of a Canon crop, so for me it's a G1X or my 550D but neither is 'pocketable' (the G1X would fit into a big trench coat I suppose)
And I don't see how the SL1 helps, it's still far too big. even with a kit lens to go in your pocket and the 40mm pancake is miles too long (and not a zoom), otherwise it's a strap or in my case a bag (or holding it by the lens, which I have never done)
Canon need a collapsible crop kit lens, or at the very least a 25mm-ish pancake
dhphoto wrote:
Canon need a collapsible crop kit lens, or at the very least a 25mm-ish pancake
Yeah if they could do these two things, and maybe a good portrait lens, then they would have something of an answer for the mirrorless setups out there. It wouldn't be ideal -- sure it's a 'wierd' size as far as utility. But it would appeal to the people who have a large assortment of Canon lenses, who want a smaller camera that has a huge lens assortment, or who aren't happy with the electronic viewfinders that are currently out there. At least in the west, that's still a pretty big segment.
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