p.7 #1 · Official: Canon EF 200-400mm f/4L IS 1.4X released!
Sophistry - I had to look that up - a subtle, tricky, superficially plausible, but generally fallacious method of reasoning. Thats great - I will use that one at meetings.
p.7 #2 · Official: Canon EF 200-400mm f/4L IS 1.4X released!
Scott Stoness wrote:
I pre-ordered. the 200-400. Advice was stock may be available in late may and I am within the first 20 preorders for Canada but its not clear how many are going to come to Canada in late may.
Petkal probably has 10 of these pre-ordered with all his calls to dealers in Ontario so maybe 20 means 10.
My rationale is:
1) I am not pro but I want it. I can afford it. I will sell my 500 v1 thats just collecting dust with my 600 usually in my car.
2) Some guys have affairs at my age in costs them millions
3) Some guys buy porches/lambordinies and they depreciate by $100 just as they drive them off the lot
4) Some guys spend $30k on trips to shoot and stuff a bear.
5) My wife bought a watch that was more expensive than this 6 months ago. I suspect her earrings are more too.
I would appreciate your affirmation of the above. ...Show more →
Wow. You almost convinced me to buy one and I don't even want the lens. Well done
p.7 #3 · Official: Canon EF 200-400mm f/4L IS 1.4X released!
Canon knows their audience well. Never underestimate what photographers will spend in order to have the best. That's not necessarily meant as an attack, just an observation.
p.7 #4 · Official: Canon EF 200-400mm f/4L IS 1.4X released!
hehe I like the way you think Scott actually I should move to Canon. I can get this lens and the 800mm (or 600mm plus 1.4) for just a few Ks more than the nikon 800mm
Scott Stoness wrote:
I pre-ordered. the 200-400. Advice was stock may be available in late may and I am within the first 20 preorders for Canada but its not clear how many are going to come to Canada in late may.
Petkal probably has 10 of these pre-ordered with all his calls to dealers in Ontario so maybe 20 means 10.
My rationale is:
1) I am not pro but I want it. I can afford it. I will sell my 500 v1 thats just collecting dust with my 600 usually in my car.
2) Some guys have affairs at my age in costs them millions
3) Some guys buy porches/lambordinies and they depreciate by $100 just as they drive them off the lot
4) Some guys spend $30k on trips to shoot and stuff a bear.
5) My wife bought a watch that was more expensive than this 6 months ago. I suspect her earrings are more too.
I would appreciate your affirmation of the above. ...Show more →
p.7 #5 · Official: Canon EF 200-400mm f/4L IS 1.4X released!
Scott Stoness wrote:
I pre-ordered. the 200-400. Advice was stock may be available in late may and I am within the first 20 preorders for Canada but its not clear how many are going to come to Canada in late may.
Petkal probably has 10 of these pre-ordered with all his calls to dealers in Ontario so maybe 20 means 10.
Scott, I am sure you will enjoy the lens. Hell, we are only given this one chance to play on this Earth.
Incidentally, I have none on order because life is not easy on government pension benefits.
p.7 #6 · Official: Canon EF 200-400mm f/4L IS 1.4X released!
PetKal wrote:
life is not easy on government pension benefits.
Says the man who owns a collection of long lenses so large that even Canon Canada itself makes requests to borrow from, as well as redundant copies of "collector's" lenses such as 50/1.0
p.7 #7 · Official: Canon EF 200-400mm f/4L IS 1.4X released!
mitesh wrote:
Says the man who owns a collection of long lenses so large that even Canon Canada itself makes requests to borrow from, as well as redundant copies of "collector's" lenses such as 50/1.0
Life's not bad for you Canadian senators!
+1
I had been wondering when PetKal would have multiple copies of the new edition 200-400L.
It is safe to say this lens like many others, will never be in my possession. Unless it pays mortgages and such, it will remain a (white) pipe dream
p.7 #9 · Official: Canon EF 200-400mm f/4L IS 1.4X released!
PetKal wrote:
Scott, I am sure you will enjoy the lens. Hell, we are only given this one chance to play on this Earth.
Incidentally, I have none on order because life is not easy on government pension benefits.
That's why I am not retiring - it would cut into my lifestyle. Plus the kid in local college, girl taking architecture in Montana State, girl taking business at U Texas, and my 16 old son who says he wants to go to U Texas and be an orthodontist.
p.7 #10 · Official: Canon EF 200-400mm f/4L IS 1.4X released!
tdong wrote:
hehe I like the way you think Scott actually I should move to Canon. I can get this lens and the 800mm (or 600mm plus 1.4) for just a few Ks more than the nikon 800mm
And another good reason - now finally Canon will have a better 200-400 than Nikon. Lording it over Nikonian's has been tougher lately because of the d800.
Now the only lens that Nikon has better than canon is 14-24 2.8
p.7 #11 · Official: Canon EF 200-400mm f/4L IS 1.4X released!
Scott Stoness wrote:
I pre-ordered. the 200-400. Advice was stock may be available in late may and I am within the first 20 preorders for Canada but its not clear how many are going to come to Canada in late may.
Petkal probably has 10 of these pre-ordered with all his calls to dealers in Ontario so maybe 20 means 10.
My rationale is:
1) I am not pro but I want it. I can afford it. I will sell my 500 v1 thats just collecting dust with my 600 usually in my car.
2) Some guys have affairs at my age in costs them millions
3) Some guys buy porches/lambordinies and they depreciate by $100 just as they drive them off the lot
4) Some guys spend $30k on trips to shoot and stuff a bear.
5) My wife bought a watch that was more expensive than this 6 months ago. I suspect her earrings are more too.
I would appreciate your affirmation of the above. ...Show more →
1. Go for it
2. Agreed. Too expensive.
3. Been there done that & still prefer cars.
4. Love the trips but don't stuff bears.Not into necrophilia.
5. Understood.My wife is into houses not jewellery.
p.7 #12 · Official: Canon EF 200-400mm f/4L IS 1.4X released!
Scott Stoness wrote:
That's why I am not retiring - it would cut into my lifestyle. Plus the kid in local college, girl taking architecture in Montana State, girl taking business at U Texas, and my 16 old son who says he wants to go to U Texas and be an orthodontist.
p.7 #13 · Official: Canon EF 200-400mm f/4L IS 1.4X released!
I just did a quick calculation of the FL of the 200-400L at mfd and it's ~ 250mm maximum, so a much more massive reduction than the 100-400L suffers.
At mfd this 400mm lens turns in a smaller max magnification than the 300 f/2.8 despite them both having the same mfd of 2m. It needs the 1.4x TC in place just to match the 100-400L at mfd.
p.7 #14 · Official: Canon EF 200-400mm f/4L IS 1.4X released!
Luckily I never photograph football players 'in action' at minimum focusing distance. Though I've seen a few TV guys hold onto the shot for a wee bit too long, with spectacular (for the fans) consequences...
Scott - add me to the list. I also ordered. We'll see how long it takes to arrive, but hopefully before football gets underway.... looks like it's time to sell the 600...
p.7 #15 · Official: Canon EF 200-400mm f/4L IS 1.4X released!
Pixel Perfect wrote:
I just did a quick calculation of the FL of the 200-400L at mfd and it's ~ 250mm maximum, so a much more massive reduction than the 100-400L suffers.
At mfd this 400mm lens turns in a smaller max magnification than the 300 f/2.8 despite them both having the same mfd of 2m. It needs the 1.4x TC in place just to match the 100-400L at mfd.
p.7 #18 · Official: Canon EF 200-400mm f/4L IS 1.4X released!
Exit wrote:
Has anyone checked to see the CPS price in Canada yet?
I've been told it will be somewhat less than the 600II but over $10K... As for the cost of the 600:
arbitrage wrote:
Vistek lists the official 600II price at 12,599.99. Although every store has sold it at around 11,395 since its release. The CPS price on it is $10,700. So I would guess probably the exact same price for the 200-400.
I believe pricing is now available and you should be able to get a correct quote by contacting a Canon pro shop...
rscheffler wrote:
Luckily I never photograph football players 'in action' at minimum focusing distance.
Pixel Perfect wrote:
Ermm in what universe would you think that was my concern, unless the players are very very tiny.
Sorry, I guess my attempt at being humourous was a failure. My point being, the majority of what I expect to shoot with this lens, based on how I've used the 300/400/600 primes, is of subject matter more in the 15-40m range where this 'focus breathing' or decrease in focal length should be minimal. Granted, some will want to use the lens for small object photography, such as small birds/animals, and the decrease in focal length might be a concern.
p.7 #19 · Official: Canon EF 200-400mm f/4L IS 1.4X released!
rscheffler wrote:
Sorry, I guess my attempt at being humourous was a failure. My point being, the majority of what I expect to shoot with this lens, based on how I've used the 300/400/600 primes, is of subject matter more in the 15-40m range where this 'focus breathing' or decrease in focal length should be minimal. Granted, some will want to use the lens for small object photography, such as small birds/animals, and the decrease in focal length might be a concern.
I know I use my 100-400L near mfd plenty of times, for insects, flowers and even small birds even though it's mostly used at much longer distances. It was just an observation how poor this uber expensive lens was in that regime, needing the 1.4x in place just to match the bare 100-400L and in that case you are at the same max aperture.
p.7 #20 · Official: Canon EF 200-400mm f/4L IS 1.4X released!
First, I'd like to say that although I have always been a Nikon shooter, I think Canon is an excellent system. I was thinking of switching over, but the only reason I didn't was that I was waiting for the 200-400. I have the Nikon 200-400, and it's an amazing lens. Tack sharp even with a converter. I really feel sorry for all you Canon shooters that have waited so long for this lens, only to pay almost double for it. I'm sure it's a super piece of glass. But for that kind of money, I can almost buy two Nikon 200-400's and leave the converter on one of them at all times. For those of you that are going to buy this lens, I'm sure you will enjoy it. I wish you all the best.
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