snowboarder wrote:
The price difference is way more dramatic if you own a bundle and need to pay $50/month.
BTW this is honestly ridiculous, I don't need EVERYTHING you make! I use 3, 4 packages, that's why
Production Premium is perfect for me.
So in 2 years, instead of paying one update - ~$300, Adobe wants me to pay $1200.
That's 4 times more.
And at the end I don't own it as Jordan mentioned.
I feel so much better knowing in comparison I am getting a real sweetheart of a deal compared to yourself. The Master Collection upgrade is $525 so it is only 2.29 times as much.
How, Why, Cost Benefit, etc.... None of that matters if enough of us don't go to the cloud the concept will fail economically.
While larger companies and schools will see a benefit from the cloud, most single users will see cost increases. If we had all said no, and stuck with CS6, Adobe would not have changed. The early marketing of the cloud showed enough promise that they decided to move forward.
Disclaimer: My Brother and Nephew work for Adobe and were involved in this. Please don't hate me.... I did not chose my brother.
Eyeball wrote:
Not sure where you got the outrage and entitlement. I am not happy about the new "service" model though and I don't see what's wrong with expressing that.
I don't see what your reference to disk prices many years ago has to do with anything either. I assume you're not saying you would be happy paying "thousands of dollars" times 10,000 for a terabyte drive today. Technology advances, development processes improve, prices come down. The important thing is not how a product price compares to what it was years ago, it's how it compares to the value it provides today and the competition in the marketplace.
Adobe's prices being too high for the value the products' offered is exactly why Adobe is resorting to these lock-in tactics. If they were selling fine at what they were trying to charge, we wouldn't even be seeing this new scheme.
I do not believe that a company owes me something for free but it does irritate me when I see companies like Microsoft and Adobe, that develop a "pseudo-monopoly" by becoming an industry standard and then expect to continue to make the same revenue and profits without working for it, depending on lock-in and customer-exit penalties, instead of continuing to produce innovative products at a competitive price. The market will catch up with them eventually....Show more →
Well said. Despite claims to the contrary, Miguel is very much an Adobe cheerleader.
i have not read it all, but are we talking about a constant fee every month for ever u want to use the software? and if you stop paying you dont get it?
I am not mostly pissed by the monies, I am super pissed at the notion of complete control.
And, of all the sickening fanboys,
"oh, but's the furture wave to be raped repeatedly, you'll like it!"
I don't accept all of this corporate control, and customer be dammed B$!
parsons wrote:
i have not read it all, but are we talking about a constant fee every month for ever u want to use the software? and if you stop paying you dont get it?
rattymouse wrote:
It's interesting that no one, repeat NO ONE is buying Adobe's BS about all the reasons why they are moving into the cloud. All that futuristic talk isnt fooling anyone. This is nothing more but an outright cash grab.
There is another reason, and, of course, has nothing to due with their customers
Traditionally Adobe had a revenue peak each time they released a new version of the suite, then the revenue's curve goes down quite dramatically. Wall Street's people don't like that, they love smooth, consistent revenue streams and they get nervous whenever the revenues go roller coaster.
For a few years they tried to mitigate that by spreading releases of different products across time (that's why LR and PS were out of sync for a while). But the suite was still their cash cow and too many of their products are heavily coupled and have to be upgraded at the very same time.
With this move they will upset a large part of their customers, but Wall Street people will love it...
Disclosure: I am the manager of the Italian Adobe user group for ColdFusion. ColdFusion is an application server that belonged to Macromedia, before that company was acquired by Adobe. It took Adobe a few years, but they finally managed to pretty much kill ColdFusion.
jcolwell wrote:
It's probably a social networking thing. Maybe FB is negotiating to buy Adobe.
You heard it here, first.
I guess that would make sense since FB probably has the rights to more photographs than anyone else (you transfer rights to FB when you post an image to FB).
"For content that is covered by intellectual property rights, like photos and videos (IP content), you specifically give us the following permission, subject to your privacy and application settings: you grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, worldwide license to use any IP content that you post on or in connection with Facebook (IP License). This IP License ends when you delete your IP content or your account unless your content has been shared with others, and they have not deleted it."
The funny part is, the dumb 'but there's new features!' part of me wants to subscribe for the first year, since it's not super expensive for this first year...then I can at least use the next version for a year before dropping back to CS6.
Then I realize that by doing that, I'm telling Adobe that they've done a good thing...so there's no way I'm going to mislead them in that way.
I wonder if Adobe will also be offering High Speed internet service at $19.99/ mo (small print...for the first six months. The remainder of the contract is at $49.95/ mo!), to go along with their initial, reduced rate subscription plan.
Javier Munoz wrote:
Does anybody know of any other software that does layers efficiently?
A crucial question. Layers alone puts Photoshop in a class by itself. I deplore the move Adobe has made here. I am outraged by this decision on their part.
I knew this was coming but I am not impressed with Adobe anymore.
This whole cloud thing is to give software vendors more control over their customers & extract more tribute for Caesar
I have CS6 and while it has a few extras compared to CS5, it was not worth the upgrade.
On top of this, I have a licensing issue with CS6 that Adobe admits is their problem but won't fix it since I am one of a few that experiences it. Their "new" licensing/protection scheme collides with a Wndows 7 feature but only on some installations.
Basically I have to enter the security key EVERYTIME I launch the application.
The fix they suggested to me: Copy security key to a notepad document you leave on your desktop. Then every time you launch the app, copy/paste the key into the sign-on panel.
Many times I have to do this twice. Very lame.
For most editing tools, my CS5 or CS6 installs will suffice. There are better noise software packages(Ninga), B&W packages (NEK), etc. Adobe's focus stacking tool is a joke with not much editing features. Helicon beats it hands down.
I think Paint Shop Pro or GIMP have an opportunity if they are paying attention
rattymouse wrote:
Well said. Despite claims to the contrary, Miguel is very much an Adobe cheerleader.
So if I disagree with some of your argument I'm an Adobe cheerleader? This seems like somewhat childish reasoning. I admit to being a Fluminense cheerleader but that's futebol.
Honestly what bothers me most about all of this move by Adobe is the corporate 'think' behind it that I believe has categorized most of the users here at FM and probably anyone in my age demographic (over 40) as 'of no consequence'. I see this as a shift away from a user base of creative professionals using workstations to some kind of future model of mobile computing with touch-screen interfaces (eventually voice-rec and hui) and monthly subscription charges for everything. It feels creepy but I am skeptical that any amount of outrage in forums like this will bring Adobe to heel, corporate culture always trends towards more control of their 'properties' not less.
Tom K. wrote:
A crucial question. Layers alone puts Photoshop in a class by itself. I deplore the move Adobe has made here. I am outraged by this decision on their part.
snowboarder wrote:
The price difference is way more dramatic if you own a bundle and need to pay $50/month.
BTW this is honestly ridiculous, I don't need EVERYTHING you make! I use 3, 4 packages, that's why
Production Premium is perfect for me.
So in 2 years, instead of paying one update - ~$300, Adobe wants me to pay $1200.
That's 4 times more.
And at the end I don't own it as Jordan mentioned.
Just for the numbers, lets say you start to work in adobe products for 10 years from now and upgrade every version because its cool to have all the newest features and be up to date.
Subscription based (in the hope adobe doesn't increase the price suddenly, which I bet my ass they will):
50$ / month, 600$ / year, 6000$ / 10 years.
The end of 10 years, left without a program, and can't use whatever you made before.
Non-Subscription based (using the latest prices for the bundle and upgrade):
Master Suite CS6 bundle 2600$. Upgrade from CS5 to CS6 was 550$. Buying Suite + 4 upgrades is 4800$.
The end of 10 years, still have the software, can use it for another 10 years without upgrading.
So over a course of 10 years, you are paying 1200$ more because you enjoy subscribing to things.
While on non-subscription, you can use the software with the latest version for another 10, or another 20 years if its possible (hey, CS2 came out at 2005 and still works fine) so it can be 4800$ over 15 years, while subscription is now 9000$, which is 4200$ more. And so on.
Who ever says its a good thing, is seriously in love of throwing away his money.
! You are so funny...and full of it! 
