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p.15 #1 · Adobe kills standalone software


Time to try DXO's 60 day free trial.



May 09, 2013 at 01:12 PM
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p.15 #2 · Adobe kills standalone software


Paul Gardner wrote:
Time to try DXO's 60 day free trial.


It's not bad as a Raw converter but it doesn't replace Photoshop, not the same type of app.



May 09, 2013 at 01:15 PM
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I guess the question for me is whether to upgrade from CS5 to CS6 now while I have the opportunity despite the fact that my photoshop use has decreased dramatically. Anyone see this as an advantageous move and why? Lloyd Chambers says if you don't own CS6 to get it now while you can.


May 09, 2013 at 01:23 PM
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DxO as a raw converter seems to have one major flaw compared to many competitors (Capture One, Photo Ninja, Aperture and Lightroom). Highlight recovery sucks compared to the others. Photo Ninja seems to have the best Highlight recovery in my testing.


May 09, 2013 at 01:25 PM
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rji2goleez wrote:
I guess the question for me is whether to upgrade from CS5 to CS6 now while I have the opportunity despite the fact that my photoshop use has decreased dramatically. Anyone see this as an advantageous move and why? Lloyd Chambers says if you don't own CS6 to get it now while you can.



Yes, many advantages. For one, ACR will continue to be updated for a while to support new cameras in CS6 whereas that is no longer the case for CS5. ACR 7 has many advantages and features over ACR 6 used in CS5. Finally, there are a few "wow" features in CS6:

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/0648361571/photoshop-cs6-top-5-features-for-photographers



May 09, 2013 at 01:29 PM
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rji2goleez wrote:
I guess the question for me is whether to upgrade from CS5 to CS6 now while I have the opportunity despite the fact that my photoshop use has decreased dramatically. Anyone see this as an advantageous move and why? Lloyd Chambers says if you don't own CS6 to get it now while you can.


One reason to do so would be to get support for the latest cameras up until sometime soon. Another would be for some of the improved context-sensitive fill and so on. Another would be for the support which will run longer. If you don't care about any of this, no need.



May 09, 2013 at 01:30 PM
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neilvan wrote:
It's not bad as a Raw converter but it doesn't replace Photoshop, not the same type of app.


It doesn't have to: I think even serious photographers can work with older Photoshop versions, I have still CS3, even CS 2 would be good. I need actions, layers, USM, those have been around since many years.

Therefore: I will go on using my old version for more years to come. And I guess if they stick to their new business model the may loose lots of customers. They probably are already surprised by the almost exclusively negative response.

Bernie



May 09, 2013 at 01:30 PM
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I don't think these petitions do much but for those interested have a look here:

http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-incorporated-eliminate-the-mandatory-creative-cloud-subscription-model?utm_campaign=mailto_link&utm_medium=email&utm_source=share_petition



May 09, 2013 at 01:36 PM
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I tried to upgrade from CS5 to CS6 a couple of hours ago and the website would not let me do it. When I choose upgrade in the drop down menu it turns off the 'Add To Cart' button, turns it back on when full is chosen. Anyone else have this experience?

Edwin



May 09, 2013 at 01:38 PM
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The biggest issue for me is Adobe's lack of honesty and thus their credibility going forward. According to the CEO the principle selling point of the creative cloud is that it allows customers to stay up to date with changes and allows Adobe to roll out feature updates as soon as they're available. This has been done forever using Adobe's existing digital distribution of updates, so the entire foundation of their "paradigm shift" is based on bullshit.

When you look at the last last few versions of CS it's clear Adobe has run out of feature ideas to throw into the suite, and thus the impetus for customer upgrades is gone. Adobe must be aware of this and thus software as a service was born. It's ironic the stated benefit of the cloud is the quick update of features considering Adobe doesn't have any significant features to offer.




May 09, 2013 at 01:40 PM
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Looks like Corel has just launched Corel graphics Suite 6 which includes Corel capture and Corel PhotoPaint 6. I just started testing PhotoPaint 6 and can't believe what an improvement it is. It is 64-bit and blazing fast also has the ability to use Photoshop style work place. Couldn't be better timing on Corel part as far as I'm concerned. The whole suite costs under $500. I would imagine Corel would launch Photo Paint six as a standalone. It's been years since I even looked at Corel but I'm now giving it a serious once over. http://www.corel.com/corel/product/index.jsp?pid=prod4260069&cid=catalog20038&segid=5700006



May 09, 2013 at 01:43 PM
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What's going to be interesting/ telling to see is if any high level Adobe engineers jump ship or get poached by a potential competitor in the coming months - Apple, Google, Corel or whoever.


May 09, 2013 at 01:50 PM
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Tariq Gibran wrote:
Yes, many advantages. For one, ACR will continue to be updated for a while to support new cameras in CS6 whereas that is no longer the case for CS5. ACR 7 has many advantages and features over ACR 6 used in CS5. Finally, there are a few "wow" features in CS6:

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/0648361571/photoshop-cs6-top-5-features-for-photographers


I am very close to upgrading to CS6 now, only to stay at the same platform as "everybody else" for future compatibility.

Speaking of new features, one I would really want is support for writing a custom convolution / deconvolution / resampling kernel. Does anybody know why we don't even have a Lanczos kernel? Are there patents involved?



May 09, 2013 at 01:53 PM
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alundeb wrote:
I am very close to upgrading to CS6 now, only to stay at the same platform as "everybody else" for future compatibility.

Speaking of new features, one I would really want is support for writing a custom convolution / deconvolution / resampling kernel. Does anybody know why we don't even have a Lanczos kernel? Are there patents involved?


Seems like I read it's actually part of the ACR sharpening algorithim depending on settings. Maybe high amounts of using the "Detail" slider (in combination with higher "Amount" value) will give it?

"Yes, moving Detail towards 100 will use a deconvolution-based method to sharpen the image. I recommend this only for clean (e.g., high ISO), finely detailed scenes. It will perform the most detail and texture extraction that it can, with no effort to suppress noise or other anomalies. Use on portraits at your own peril!"

Posted by Adobe ACR Engineer Eric Chan in the below link.
http://forums.adobe.com/message/4496924


These settings work good to mimic a strong deconvolution sharpening look in ACR 7:
Amount 60
Radius 0.7/
Detail 70
Masking 20



Edited on May 09, 2013 at 02:23 PM · View previous versions



May 09, 2013 at 02:01 PM
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Thanks Tariq, but it is not what I am looking for. It only covers sharpening, not resampling, and it only controls some parameters of the deconvolution kernel, not the kernel function.



May 09, 2013 at 02:20 PM
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alundeb wrote:
Thanks Tariq, but it is not what I am looking for. It only covers sharpening, not resampling, and it only controls some parameters of the deconvolution kernel, not the kernel function.


Oh, sorry.



May 09, 2013 at 02:24 PM
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I just read the following in another forum's comment section. Interesting stuff:

I've posted a few thoughts in here already, some of them a touch on the X-Rated side, but here is a response I posted over at photographyreview.com that more concisely expresses my feelings...

Before I set off on what might get interpreted as a narcissistic rant, let me make my opinion on Adobe's decision to move to what they are calling a 'cloud-based' subscription only licensing model up front and crystal clear. As a professional photographer who relies on Photoshop just as much as I rely on the digital cameras that produce my RAW files, I believe having to pay an ongoing monthly fee to use the application is an incredibly shortsighted decision by a company that essentially has the monopoly on digital asset management, and if I may quote David Hobby…the Strobist…"feels like the biggest money grab in the history of software".

I will also say that the majority of what I'll be talking about relates to Photoshop, since that's the World I live in. Whether or not users of Adobe Muse, Dreamweaver, After Effects or any of the other applications in the Adobe Creative Suite find added value in paying the new $50.00 monthly subscription scheme, I have no idea. I'm gonna focus on the idea on what an ongoing $20.00 per month subscription means for photographers…

Adobe announced that by moving to cloud-based subscriptions they will have a better handle on piracy and cut their development and distribution overhead. I can't speak to their development costs, but as for software pirates, I'm not so dumb to think that if there is a will, there is a way. You can bet there is already a kid in a basement somewhere with a pretty good idea on how to distribute free "Cloud Copies" of piracy-proof software!

With the "Creative Cloud" being the really big news, it came as almost as an afterthought (to take your mind off the whole subscription thing) when Adobe mentioned some new features they've added to Photoshop…like the Camera Shake Reduction tool, Smart Sharpen, and that you can now apply Camera Raw edits as filters. But let's forget about any new features, since new features were why you would have paid for an old-school upgrade to Photoshop. New features are a given. The real controversy is that from now on, you won't have the ability to move forward incrementally as you see fit. In the past, if Adobe trotted out an upgrade to Photoshop that didn't fit your workflow, you could just keep using the version you had and wait for the next version before you kicked in your money to be up to date. Adobe didn't like this. They saw it as a money-losing proposition. They even changed their long-standing upgrade policy so that if you didn't have Photoshop CS5, you wouldn't be able to move up to CS6. That pissed off a lot of Photoshop users, but I understood it. But apparently that wasn't enough for Adobe. They have obviously decided that a perpetual subscription licensing model is the only way to continue bringing in a substantial cash flow. Assuming that hobbyists and 'occasional' photographers make up the vast majority of Adobe's customer base, do they real expect these people to happily pay a $20.00 per month licensing fee to continue to use Photoshop? And if you can also assume that they will lose a pretty good percentage of that customer base...the casual Photoshop users, or those who decide to switch to Lightroom or Aperture...what are their plans to recover that lost income? Or maybe they've already got that figured out, and that is how they came up with the $20/month pricing plan for the Photoshop-only side to their cloud strategy. Maybe the actuaries have figured that since everyone who uses Photoshop doesn't march over the upgrade cliff every two years, if they were to install a mandatory payment schedule it would ensure their income stream and they could claim the new plan, while more expensive, is actually better because it ensures a much more up to date Photoshop experience (even if the user doesn't need the new features).

But let's look at what they are really proposing…

Adobe claims the new "Creative Cloud" strategy "includes everything you need to experiment like never before", and will allow you to "track comments posted to shared files, keep tabs on your work and your followers on Behance…", and they drop buzz words like "Collaborate", "Grow" and "Change" as though they are candies to be gobbled up by sugar-hungry children. I read this and can't help but wonder if they have lost track of what a professional photographers work flow is REALLY like?!! Professional photographers aren't looking to pay a $50/month license fee to 'experiment' with Illustrator, Premiere Pro or Dreamweaver! Professional photographers don't use Photoshop as a social media tool. We don't finish off an assignment by hitting the 'Send' button so our work posts in real-time on 'Behance' (which, in case you missed that press release, is owned by Adobe!). Professional photographers shoot, process, archive and retouch images in Photoshop. We send those images to our clients. And then it's on to the next gig where we do it all again. I dare say that the overwhelming majority of professional photographers don't waste too much time worrying about how Photoshop might aid them in 'sharing' their assignments on social media sites.

As for the "Creative Cloud" itself, it's not actually a typical cloud service either. It's simply an electronic distribution method of getting software to the end user. OK…there are some very minimal cloud services included…cloud file storage, syncing of settings, etc…but electronic distribution of software is hardly a new concept for Adobe. They've been selling upgrades for years using this technology. What Adobe seems to think makes their cloud more desirable is their ability to issue more frequent updates and patches. In the past they have made patches available as needed and the version upgrades available every 1 to 2 years. With the cloud these feature upgrades can theoretically be added as they are developed. I suppose that is a plus, but again, there are huge chunks of Photoshop I don't use or need now, so dropping even more features on most users isn't going to be a make or break decision for most people anyway.

But let's get to the real elephant in the room…the pricing! After reading Adobe's claims that new pricing scheme has an arguably LOWER annual cost, I guess we're supposed to all join hands and sing the Adobe Theme Song and be happy for the windfall that has been bestowed upon us. Personally, I don't believe that paying $240.00 annually to rent a software program adds any value to MY business model, but that would be narcissistic, and I'm trying hard not to make this all about me. Adobe is making it abundantly clear that they intend to employ this model to increase a revenue stream they feel they have lost because of those users who don't upgrade on a regular schedule. We can't keep going back and forth on that point. However, there is no mention from Adobe what happens after you lose the use of the software once you stop paying. How does a long-time user of an Adobe product access their files if they have stopped paying for a use license? I have no issue with a company wanting to profit from their product. Adobe deserves to be paid for their marketing and R&D when it comes to all of their software, but under the old model if you stopped paying for upgrades to the new version, Adobe didn't take away your software license on your old version! Stopping an upgrade cycle didn't mean you could open a file you did fifteen years ago! And believe me, if you get on the Adobe subscription licensing model train, if you get off that's exactly what will happen with all of your work. It will become useless digital trash. The only way to content to access your work is to keep paying the subscription license. And that is just wrong.

With this new decision to implement a subscription only licensing model, Adobe is in fact trying to change they way software licenses as we know it work. But is there something so totally broken with the idea of paying an initial fee for the license and then paying a scheduled upgrade/maintenance charge? As long as the user pays the maintenance charge, you continue to get the upgrades. If you stop paying the maintenance, you lose access to NEW upgrades, but your software will still function as you expected it would when you signed on. And I have nothing wrong with the idea that if the user stops paying the maintenance fee for a certain period, the user would then have to start over and re-purchase the base license if they want to continue along the upgrade path. I just had to do this when I moved from FileMaker version 5 up to version 12. I hadn't the need or the want to pay for annual upgrade over the years, since I saw no added value…FOR MY PURPOSES…but when version 12 came out that changed. Since I had long since fallen out of the scheduled upgrade track, I had to repurchase a full version of the new software. That is a business decision best left to the consumer. What the cast majority of Photoshop users have been complaining about over the past few days is that Adobe has removed ALL choice in the software buying process, while reducing the value of the software for certain segments of their customer base…and increasing it for others. They seem willing to lose a large portion of their base clients…those hobbyists and 'occasional' photographers who don't regularly stay on the upgrade path…and to make up that lost income it appears that the rest of the users will now and forever have to pay an ongoing fee to rent their product.

These are only a few of the things that I really think need to be talked about. Adobe is, of course, making their "Creative Cloud" strategy sound like a wonderfully happy place and we should all bow down and thank them for thinking of us, the end-user, when they came up with this solution. But I'm sorry, but I can't help but see this as a solution to a nonexistent problem!



May 09, 2013 at 02:33 PM
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alundeb wrote:
Speaking of new features, one I would really want is support for writing a custom convolution / deconvolution / resampling kernel. Does anybody know why we don't even have a Lanczos kernel? Are there patents involved?


Lightroom supports plugins, as does Aperture, and maybe also Capture One? You could download the SDK and try it out there.



May 09, 2013 at 02:39 PM
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Btw, I just read over at Macintouch that a reader was told that CS6 updates from a previous version will only be available until May 14th! So, don't wait if you plan to update.

Good reading over there about this Adobe move:

http://www.macintouch.com/readerreports/applications/index.html#d09may2013



May 09, 2013 at 02:57 PM
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Tariq Gibran wrote:
Btw, I just read over at Macintouch that a reader was told that CS6 updates from a previous version will only be available until May 14th! So, don't wait if you plan to update.


You gotta be kidding me!



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