p.6 #2 · Adobe Photoshop & Creative Suite Subscription-only!
UCSB wrote:
Adobe responds to negative reaction ... some interesting facts on CS6 upgrades:
interesting indeed... LR remains standalone for now and ACR8 will be available for CS6. Yay
But one of my biggest gripes is the loss of access to the software once you stop paying. Adobe says: "That's the trade-off for the benefits of a continuously updated application". So we basically have to go on faith that Adobe will give significant updates over the course of the next year or two as opposed to minor tweaks, bug fixes and gimmicks. The company might have some meaningful updates up its sleeve, but I would be very surprised if it turns out to be true.
Imagine if over the course of a year the only significant update (outside of bug fixes) that Adobe offered Photoshop CC users was the new motion blur removal tool? How bummed would you be to have shelled out all that money and have to keep shelling it out to retain the use of the software, all the while hoping Adobe delivers something a little more universally useful?
I guess my biggest problem is that I simply don't trust Adobe to deliver on its promises of better products instead of using the subscription model as a means to milk consumers to feed voracious shareholders.
p.6 #3 · Adobe Photoshop & Creative Suite Subscription-only!
Adobe says: "That's the trade-off for the benefits of a continuously updated application".
How stupid do they think we are? As if the only way to have a "continuously updated application" is to pay for it month-to-month? Quick, let me make sure my Google Chrome subscription has been paid in full for the month.
p.6 #5 · Adobe Photoshop & Creative Suite Subscription-only!
ACR8 will be stripped down so only the new cameras are included not the new functions
pipspeak wrote:
interesting indeed... LR remains standalone for now and ACR8 will be available for CS6. Yay
But one of my biggest gripes is the loss of access to the software once you stop paying. Adobe says: "That's the trade-off for the benefits of a continuously updated application". So we basically have to go on faith that Adobe will give significant updates over the course of the next year or two as opposed to minor tweaks, bug fixes and gimmicks. The company might have some meaningful updates up its sleeve, but I would be very surprised if it turns out to be true.
Imagine if over the course of a year the only significant update (outside of bug fixes) that Adobe offered Photoshop CC users was the new motion blur removal tool? How bummed would you be to have shelled out all that money and have to keep shelling it out to retain the use of the software, all the while hoping Adobe delivers something a little more universally useful?
I guess my biggest problem is that I simply don't trust Adobe to deliver on its promises of better products instead of using the subscription model as a means to milk consumers to feed voracious shareholders. ...Show more →
p.6 #6 · Adobe Photoshop & Creative Suite Subscription-only!
pipspeak wrote:
interesting indeed... LR remains standalone for now and ACR8 will be available for CS6. Yay
Keep in mind CS6 isn't getting ACR8—it's getting the camera support of full-fledged ACR8. Any fancypants new features or processing algorithms will not be available to CS6 users.
nowherean wrote:
What if one is not around Internet access?
It'll work for 37 (38?) days without phoning home on a monthly plan or 99 days on an annual plan.
nowherean wrote:
Why can't I just subscribe to Photoshop only for less money?
You could and you still can. Single applications are $19.99/month. ($29.99/month with no contract.) Adobe's signup process doesn't make this clear, as most of the current links shove you straight into the suite signup.
p.6 #7 · Adobe Photoshop & Creative Suite Subscription-only!
John P Mulgrew wrote:
I always thought that Photoshop was created for photographers and does this mean they will be getting rid of ACR?
No, no, no... if Photoshop had been developed for photographers they would have named it something that would suggest this as its intended purpose like using the word photo or something.. oh, wait.....
p.6 #8 · Adobe Photoshop & Creative Suite Subscription-only!
No freaking way I'm renting a software. That's just stupid, period. What next? Apple will release new MacPros for subscription only? You will pay $150 a month (MacPro is usually $3000) so that will run you for 20 months. Then, they will take that computer back because new version comes out, the "updated one" and you will continue to pay $150. Oh, you want to hold on to it? Sure, we'll sell you the old hardware for $2200.
I'm sick of Adobe now. But, I'm sure we will have a "no call home" version soon.
Hackers will take care of that.
p.6 #9 · Adobe Photoshop & Creative Suite Subscription-only!
I didnt want to pay $700 to update from CS5 to CS6 design suite so I took the intro pricing of $29/mo for CC. But I have found I really dont use much other than LR and CS. Only very occasional use for illustrator and premiere, and no use whatsoever for the dozen other shovelware apps that come with CC.
When the intro pricing runs out and renewal goes to $50/mo, I am done with Adobe.
p.6 #10 · Adobe Photoshop & Creative Suite Subscription-only!
pipspeak wrote:
Imagine if over the course of a year the only significant update (outside of bug fixes) that Adobe offered Photoshop CC users was the new motion blur removal tool? How bummed would you be to have shelled out all that money and have to keep shelling it out to retain the use of the software, all the while hoping Adobe delivers something a little more universally useful?
How many people, in reality, only upgrade their Photoshop to have RAW support for their new cameras? Are people actually using the features of CS6 or would they not be able to notice the difference between that and CS4 were the latter to include an updated ACR? Nothing really changes with the new model i think, the reality just becomes more obvious.
p.6 #11 · Adobe Photoshop & Creative Suite Subscription-only!
Gregg B. wrote:
No freaking way I'm renting a software. That's just stupid, period. What next? Apple will release new MacPros for subscription only?
I believe that business model has actually been tried, unsuccessfully. Don't shout too loud though - This is just the sort of thing that Apple might do.
p.6 #12 · Adobe Photoshop & Creative Suite Subscription-only!
It gets better!
""We don't have plans to make Lightroom a subscription-only option but we do envision added functionality for the CC version of Lightroom.""
So yeah basically soon enough any further development for LR will be CC only so it'll basically stop more or less other than just updating it to work with new cameras as with ACR (until they eventually give up that too).
So it's basically going CC only just as much as Photoshop is. Photoshop ends with CS6 version and maybe LR ends with LR5 version? Other than, thankfully, updated Camera support files (at least for a time during which it's not that bad I suppose; I don't hear any plans to do that for Premiere Pro format updates though....). Windows machines may be locked out of high DP screen support I guess though since that didn't make the CS6 cut did it?
p.6 #14 · Adobe Photoshop & Creative Suite Subscription-only!
Guys,
Sell a couple of photos and pay your subscription. For those of us who make a living from using Creative Suite or Photoshop etc... its the cost of doing business, like the petrol price that keeps going up.
You are not going to say to a client that I am really sorry I can't take your photos because its too expensive to drive there, add it into your cost!
Most knucklehead photographers (Sorry if it offends) forget to charge for photo editing - its time = $$$, plus your cost of equipment over time.
To those that do this just for the heck of it as a hobby, well photography is still cheaper then running a PowerBoat/Car every weekend, but not by much ;-)
I did join the subscription at the beginning of it, because I didn't have the cashflow at the time to do the whole upgrade, as I was one step behind or two versions... I am getting more programs in this then I need, some of them I might play around with but most I won't use at all
Piracy, could I get and use one of these, sure I could get it, its easy. Its just that I also get upset when someone uses my images without paying for them. So I am having a little issue with it, given that I do make some money out of using the software. But each to their own...
Enjoy the future of pixel pushing ;-) and have fun
p.6 #15 · Adobe Photoshop & Creative Suite Subscription-only!
Gregg B. wrote:
No freaking way I'm renting a software. That's just stupid, period. What next? Apple will release new MacPros for subscription only? You will pay $150 a month (MacPro is usually $3000) so that will run you for 20 months. Then, they will take that computer back because new version comes out, the "updated one" and you will continue to pay $150. Oh, you want to hold on to it? Sure, we'll sell you the old hardware for $2200.
I'm sick of Adobe now. But, I'm sure we will have a "no call home" version soon.
Hackers will take care of that....Show more →
You have always rented software, if you have paid for it! You have just paid in a lump sum payment. You have never own the software only the right to use it.
p.6 #16 · Adobe Photoshop & Creative Suite Subscription-only!
tived wrote:
You have always rented software, if you have paid for it! You have just paid in a lump sum payment. You have never own the software only the right to use it.
Henrik
No, he did not rent software. But you are right, purchasing a software license is not like purchasing the software itself, it is more like purchasing the right of using it. So:
He used to buy the right of using it. He now would have to rent the right of using it.
p.6 #17 · Adobe Photoshop & Creative Suite Subscription-only!
However one describes it...one pays some money and has a product to use in perpetuity.
Adobe wants you to pay some money...then some more money.....and so on..and when you eventually stop...so will your use of the product, irrespective of what you have paid todate.
The blackmail element Adobe will use will be to make it difficult to run files from newer cameras on CS6 because Adobe must realize a large number of users will suddenly discover CS6 is all they need from their image editing application. However, Adobe presumably is gambling that those that vote with their feet (wallet) will be compensated for by the remaining users, one way or another, paying more.
And that other software developers ( legal or otherwise) don't step up with work arounds. Which of course they will. My belief is the camera manufacturers wil be motivated to up the quality of the propriety software as well.
p.6 #19 · Adobe Photoshop & Creative Suite Subscription-only!
tived wrote:
You have always rented software, if you have paid for it! You have just paid in a lump sum payment. You have never own the software only the right to use it.
Henrik
Not really.
Its the same as buying a new car vs renting a new car.
If you buy a car, you own it. You can use it until it no longer works, which can tank 10, 20, 50 years.
If you rent a car, you don't own it. You are using it as long as you pay. No pay, no car.
If you rent photoshop, you can't use it once you stop paying.
If you buy photoshop, you can use it until the end of times pretty much.
And payments are the same as renting or buying a car.
If you rent a car for a short time, its worth renting. If you buy a car for the long run, its worth buying it.
Even after adobe goes out of business and are gone, you can still use the photoshop you bought. If you rented, you won't be able to.
p.6 #20 · Adobe Photoshop & Creative Suite Subscription-only!
I have a question about the use of this leasing model if you used it with your other camera gear. Imagine if Nikon and Canon began licensing the use of their imaging technology - only as long as you paid your monthly fee. Your cases of lenses and camera bodies would be useless until you brought your account up to current. How would you feel? Is this just another "cost of doing business"? I may be wrong, but I don't think Adobe's marketing department thought this one through. It reminds me of the Netflix bonehead move to separate the streaming and DVD part of the business a couple years ago. I think that resulted in a loss of almost 40% of the subscriber base.
