The STK battery has been reverse engineered so that the warning will not be seen with the 6D. Presumably this adaptation will also apply to the new 5DIII firmware. I purchased a few of these STK batteries, and indeed it seems to work as claimed with no warning. The battery info does show up in the 6D menu with these batteries.
I do not have enough history with actual use to say whether charge capacity of the STK are comparable to Canon.
p.2 #3 · Canon now warning us about third party batteries.
I have never had a problem with a Canon battery on an EOS SLR.
Cannot say the same for the 3rd party batteries I used.
This is especially true with the LP-E6 that communicate with the camera body.
just my opinion .... do what works for you
After spending $3200 for a 5D III I think the best option is to spend a $25 more for an extra Canon battery.
p.2 #4 · Canon now warning us about third party batteries.
Why should laying out for one purchase justify being taken advantage of with another? "Oh, you bought the Porsche. I think you should spring for the $600 colored seatbelts."
My 5D II throws an error with my off-brand AC adapter. It doesn't show a battery percentage. The error only comes up once; subsequent sleep cycles are unaffected.
p.2 #5 · Canon now warning us about third party batteries.
twistedlim wrote:
According to Wikipedia one of the definitions...:
"To counterfeit means to imitate something. Counterfeit products are fake replicas of the real product. Counterfeit products are often produced with the intent to take advantage of the superior value of the imitated product. "
So yes I feel he has a grasp of what "counterfeit" means. These batteries are madee 99% of the time in China that scoffs at any trade rules or patent laws.
So, maybe we should label all third-party lenses as "counterfeit" too?
The definition behind "counterfeit" carries with it the meaning of deliberately trying to pass off an imitation as an original. If you are buying a 3rd party battery which carries with it a different branding, then no, it is not by any definition "counterfeit."
As with any third party product, you do need to be careful that you are buying from a reputable company. And contrary to your implication, there are indeed a number of reputable and reliable 3rd party manufacters of batteries. (For instance, I've been using Delkin batteries for years in my cameras. Delkin is a US-based company and I don't think they are walking around scoffing at patent laws.)
The STK battery has been reverse engineered so that the warning will not be seen with the 6D. Presumably this adaptation will also apply to the new 5DIII firmware. I purchased a few of these STK batteries, and indeed it seems to work as claimed with no warning. The battery info does show up in the 6D menu with these batteries.
I do not have enough history with actual use to say whether charge capacity of the STK are comparable to Canon.
p.2 #8 · Canon now warning us about third party batteries.
twistedlim wrote:
According to Wikipedia one of the definitions...:
"To counterfeit means to imitate something. Counterfeit products are fake replicas of the real product. Counterfeit products are often produced with the intent to take advantage of the superior value of the imitated product. "
So yes I feel he has a grasp of what "counterfeit" means. These batteries are madee 99% of the time in China that scoffs at any trade rules or patent laws.
It only becomes counterfeit if you slap the Canon name on it without authorization. Canon does not make batteries. It slaps the Canon name on batteries from a supplier, and charges you a huge markup for the name. Canon, Nikon and all others recommend you buy Canon or Nikon or whatever batteries so they get the royalties from slapping their name on the battery.
Every automobile manual recommends you use only factory parts for your car. These parts are sourced from several manufacturers. They then slap their GM or whatever name on them. Of course, there is a huge markup for this. Yet millions upon millions of cars are running around with non-OEM branded parts without problem.
Walk into any parts store and ask for a front brake rotor to fit a 2002 Ford Focus. That same rotor will fit several brands of cars because engineers use off-the-shelf parts whenever possible. Do youthink camera makers are any different?
p.2 #9 · Canon now warning us about third party batteries.
abqnmusa wrote:
to each their own. If you want to deal with the issues use the 3rd party battery.
I think you missed the point. I have not had any "issues" to deal with.
Unless you count having extra money stay in my bank account as an "issue"
p.2 #10 · Canon now warning us about third party batteries.
artd wrote:
I think you missed the point. I have not had any "issues" to deal with.
Unless you count having extra money stay in my bank account as an "issue"
Exactly right... and this is dancing around the real issue anyway. The choice on what battery brand to use should be the consumer's not Canon's. If there actual serious issues involved with using third party batteries, the informed consumer would not use them. The reality is that they are almost all fine and MANY people choose to go this route to save money. This hurts Canon's bottom line so they choose to nag people about it in the firmware of their cameras.
It's very similar to what printer manufactures do with ink.
p.2 #11 · Canon now warning us about third party batteries.
Mike K wrote:
The STK battery has been reverse engineered so that the warning will not be seen with the 6D. Presumably this adaptation will also apply to the new 5DIII firmware. I purchased a few of these STK
Yeah fortunately this isn't rocket science, before long probably every other third party manufacturer out there and their mom will have figured out the protocol or at least enough to fake it so you don't get the warning.
Do beware of using the really cheap or unproven counterfeit batteries, especially if they seem to skimp on components or the quality of the cells used. There's been a few threads on this site already about bad experiences with third party batteries, lithium batteries aren't toys and ought to be handled with care.
p.2 #12 · Canon now warning us about third party batteries.
To be fair about the comparison with ink...a number of 3rd party inks are probably mechanically safe (at least in the short run) to use with printers and can deliver pretty comparable results. However, it should be noted that most major printer manufacturers have replaced toxic inorganic pigments with safer organic pigments in their inks (in part to comply with stricter environmental regulations). It is possible that some 3rd party ink manufacturers use at least some amount of less exepnsive but environmentally harsher compounds in their ink formulations.
p.2 #13 · Canon now warning us about third party batteries.
Counterfeit usually means "to make an imitation of something else with intent to deceive".
When you are purchasing third-party accessories, they are perfectly legal and not counterfeit , unless they use the Canon logo, holographic markings, and wording on the package to deceive you into believing you are buying a Canon-branded or Canon-authorized or licensed product.
I won't trust $20 third party batteries anymore. Experience and history has demonstrated that most Chinese manufacturers use inferior chemical compositions when they manufacture batteries, capacitors and nearly every other electronic component they offer for resale.
The only ones I trust, are sold and marketed by Canon. They have an extensive engineering team that designs and tests the batteries thoroughly before they are released to the marketplace, and they test samples throughout the product life cycle.
But it's a choice consumers can make if they want - it is perfectly legal to make, sell and buy third party accessories.
What is not legal, is selling a product that has the appearance of being an original, through the deception of the manufacturer by duplicating the entire look and feel of the product and the packaging, including using fraud when they duplicate the holographic images that is supposed to be the consumers proof that the product is an original product inspected and tested by the manufacturer.
For a $2000 or $3000 or $6000 camera, I think it is prudent and worth the piece of mind an authorized, tested, and guaranteed product brings to the table.
p.2 #15 · Canon now warning us about third party batteries.
twistedlim wrote:
According to Wikipedia one of the definitions...:
"To counterfeit means to imitate something. Counterfeit products are fake replicas of the real product. Counterfeit products are often produced with the intent to take advantage of the superior value of the imitated product. "
So yes I feel he has a grasp of what "counterfeit" means. These batteries are madee 99% of the time in China that scoffs at any trade rules or patent laws.
Gee, I wonder where the Canon branded batteries are made. I really don't think Canon makes these themselves, but instead relies on a "3rd" party supplier.
p.2 #16 · Canon now warning us about third party batteries.
I'm not that happy about what Canon did because I also use 3rd party batteries but I can't blame Canon for differentiating non-Canon batteries in their camera. They have that right...as long as they don't prevent me from using non-Canon batteries at my own risk I'm OK with it.
So far, my Wasabe batteries are listed as Unknown, but the camera still reports the percentage and it works OK so I'm happy. I can live with a message each time I power the camera on.
p.2 #17 · Canon now warning us about third party batteries.
Here's the link I was trying to find earlier https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1090330
I know it's a bit dated but this is what can go wrong with bad batteries. Stay safe out there, all.
p.2 #18 · Canon now warning us about third party batteries.
I would be VERY surprised if Canon made their own batteries. There are only so many battery makers around, and that's out of Canon's primary expertise - imaging. The expense to keep up such a factory would be too cost prohibitive. It's cheaper to hire a company that specializes in that.
Just because it has "Canon" on it doesn't mean it's any better. It's just built to some specification that the manufacturer received from Canon, whatever that is. The cheaper batteries probably use a more generic and cheaper manufacturing process. I would be curious to know who really makes their batteries.
I use 3rd party batteries with my 450D with no problems, and haven't noticed any difference with the OEM Canon battery. As with any batteries, you have to be careful, especially with lithium.
p.2 #19 · Canon now warning us about third party batteries.
I too very much doubt they make their own batteries too, but at least they would choose quality components versus the cheapest cells and safety / cutoff ICs out there, and the testing and quality control is likely more rigorous.
p.2 #20 · Canon now warning us about third party batteries.
deepbluejh wrote:
Looks like Canon just pulled a page from the printer manufacturer's playbook.
I just updated my 5DIII firmware and got the message "Communication with LP-E6 battery is irregular. Continue to use of this battery?"
This is the first time I've EVER had a camera warn me about third party batteries. Looks like this is going to become a regular thing too. Every time I turned my camera off and turned it back on I had to hit "ok" to continue using my third party battery.
Very annoying.
Maybe it actually is "irregular?"
I've used a variety of third-party batteries in various cameras including the 5D and 5D2 with mixed results. I had great results with the 5D and terrible results with the 5D2, even though I bought 5D2 batteries from one of the companies with a long and reliable reputation.
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