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p.11 #1 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......


Most everyone gets the "horses for courses" thing. There are very few (if any at all) people that are saying that it's FF or nothing for all occasions ... very far from it.

It was the whole take a highly subjective and individualized issue and sensationalize it into an allegedly objective one ... then get ticked at others, just because people tried to put it into an objective perspective they could relate to that sent this thing into the tailspin it evolved into.

"Wow, I really like this camera. I'm so glad I brought it instead of my other one. It really does a good job at meeting my needs. You guys should check it out, I think its awesome ... and here's the reasons why I think that." ... then be prepared to answer questions. Presenting a subjective opinion (which every one gets how passionate we can be about our craft & gear) is fully understood by most.

Instead, it seems as if we are getting it rammed at us with condescension that we are all wrong for wanting some objectivity to associate it with a subjective opinion, so that we can try to formulate our own opinion by putting it in perspective with FF.



Apr 19, 2013 at 05:19 PM
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p.11 #2 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......



" I must say, I am angered by the title of the thread. A lot of people come here looking for opinions and threads that may make a difference in purchases costing them hundreds of dollars."


I guess one could get off their ass, put on some big boy pants, and rent a camera. THEN, maybe they could make their own decision on how to spend their hundreds of dollars and purchase whatever they want and put the drama of their anger over the title of a thread on the shelf? That might even be so COOL that we could capitalize lots of letters when we shower the purchaser with accolades for making their own decision!! Then when they take the time to post a few shots along with a comment or two we can look for a blown highlight in a fish gill or something really important to get angry about.



Apr 19, 2013 at 11:03 PM
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p.11 #3 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......


I'm annoyed as well, because I read the title of this thread and rushed out and bought an EX1 without reading any of the rest of the thread, now I find that it doesn't actually outperform the D800 in all aspects. D'oh!


Apr 20, 2013 at 12:07 AM
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p.11 #4 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......


Chrissearle wrote:
I'm annoyed as well, because I read the title of this thread and rushed out and bought an EX1 without reading any of the rest of the thread, now I find that it doesn't actually outperform the D800 in all aspects. D'oh!





Apr 20, 2013 at 02:15 AM
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p.11 #5 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......


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I must say, I am angered by the title of the thread. A lot of people come here looking for opinions and threads that may make a difference in purchases costing them hundreds of dollars. So when someone reads his titleand gets exdcited that they may be about to read a thread that could have a big impact on a purchase decision, only to open it to read, "OH, hey, I didn't even use one of these cameras and i was just joking", that can feel like a slap in the face. In other words, THAT'S NOT FUNNY OR COOL
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This post has to be sarcastic or in jest?

There is no way a rational adult would be so upset over a title of one of a million posts, on one of a hundred photography forum boards, on the internet. Especially one that has little* impact on your life.


*No



Apr 20, 2013 at 08:26 AM
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p.11 #6 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......


sebboh wrote:


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Apr 20, 2013 at 09:50 AM
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p.11 #7 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......


I know that I will eventually sell off my heavy ass DSLR and all the lenses, and buy a lightweight mirrorless system.. But not yet!

The mirrorless cameras are quite awesome these days, but they still don't live up to my expectations.

The full frame NEX is coming next year. That camera might be it.



Apr 20, 2013 at 11:29 AM
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p.11 #8 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......


Larrys wrote:
The full frame NEX is coming next year. That camera might be it.


That's what was said last year



Apr 20, 2013 at 12:01 PM
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rxgolf wrote:
" I must say, I am angered by the title of the thread. A lot of people come here looking for opinions and threads that may make a difference in purchases costing them hundreds of dollars."

I guess one could get off their ass, put on some big boy pants, and rent a camera. THEN, maybe they could make their own decision on how to spend their hundreds of dollars and purchase whatever they want and put the drama of their anger over the title of a thread on the shelf? That might even be so COOL that we could capitalize
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Poetry.



Apr 20, 2013 at 12:11 PM
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p.11 #10 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......


These were all shot with my sub-par or lowly Olympus OM-D.



Yes, I know ... these web-size images say nothing about how good the files really are. As a FF Canon shooter since 2005 when the 5D was first launched, and having shot the Venice Mask Carnival twice before with the 5D II with a bunch of L-series lenses and the Nikon 14-24, I am of the opinion that the OM-D files are just as good ... but we can agree to disagree.

Can I do "better" with the much bulkier/heavier/clumsier 5D III or D800? Possibly or maybe ... and maybe not! In any case, my days with the FF DSLR is history. I think the OM-D outperforms the 5D II.

BTW, the images in this video are low-res.

jeffguitar wrote:
Practically is not good enough for me. I stopped looking to buy an X-E1 because I saw the difference in quality just on screen in a comparison between it and a 5D3. So it is definitely a big enough difference for me even on a laptop screen.





Apr 20, 2013 at 11:15 PM
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p.11 #11 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......


Now you guys are being ridiculous.

Everyone has a different idea of their own perfect photo. It doesn't depend on the type of camera that you have. Not one bit. So knock it off by saying that you're not a professional unless you have a 5D, or you're not an artist unless you have an M9.

Every photo that has ever been taken is the photographers vision of what the pixels that they photographed looked like to them. Otherwise, there would be absolutely no point in photographing.

So you people advocating that smaller is better now, shut up. Maybe it is to you, but if I take a photo with my E-P1 and my Canon 5D, guess what? They look absolutely the same. I just like using my E-P1 more because it illicits a different response in my photography. Same for you "professionals". You can go to higher ISO's and use a stronger depth of field. Whoop-dee-doo. Some of us don't need to rely on those kitchy crutches to get amazing photos.



Apr 21, 2013 at 03:54 AM
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p.11 #12 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......


Hey! I think this is the first I've noticed you posting over here! Good to see you on this side of the 'net.

Anyway, cameras have reached a level of capability nowadays that most any large sensor camera is capable of delivering incredible results. Sure, some people need (and many who think they need simply 'want') the absolute best quality possible...but frankly it's not all that many. I'm sure there are a handful of people who are regularly printing very large prints, or doing massive cropping and still want large print sizes available. Then there are those who shoot birds in flight and lots of sports or other action and really need an SLR...but anything from an OM-D to X-E1 to 5D III to D800 is going to produce outstanding prints to 20" wide, and pretty darn good prints to 30" wide. I'm sure you'd start seeing major differences on 40-50" prints, but there's very few of us who print that large.

So, shoot what fits your style. Me? I couldn't ever see myself going back to an SLR, because hauling 18 lbs on my shoulder isn't fun for me, and I don't enjoy shooting when carrying a high end SLR kit. The fact I can get similar quality from a kit 1/4 the weight and much smaller in size has made photography so much more fun for me. If it doesn't make an impact for your shooting, though, then it's a moot point.



Apr 21, 2013 at 08:36 AM
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p.11 #13 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......


The user and technique (or lack of) is often the weakest link. That's going to play a much more important role than what equipment is used at this level.

This has got to be the most DpReview oriented thread I have ever read on the Alt Forum...and it will not die!



Apr 21, 2013 at 09:00 AM
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p.11 #14 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......


Frankly I find this thread amusing and entertaining and cannot believe how sensitive and defensive people can get - and that is what's so amusing about it!

If one is secure about one's gear and abilities it shouldn't matter what anyone says. Most of what's been said including the OP was in jest anyway - just banter. It becomes DPR when people get all bent out of shape and starts getting downright insulting and even abusive.

Tariq Gibran wrote:
The user and technique (or lack of) is often the weakest link. That's going to play a much more important role than what equipment is used at this level.

This has got to be the most DpReview oriented thread I have ever read on the Alt Forum...and it will not die!




Apr 21, 2013 at 09:15 AM
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p.11 #15 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......


Banter? On a serious gear - oriented thread? Heaven forfend!


Apr 21, 2013 at 09:31 AM
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bobbytan wrote:
It becomes DPR when people get all bent out of shape and starts getting downright insulting and even abusive.


...and that's what happened very quickly if you look back through the thread. In fact, on the very first page and quickly embraced by the OP, this thread was taken out of the realm of maturity that's typical here and clearly out of the supposed "Banter" category. Abusive, insulting personal attacks, invoking supposed superior credentials...sounds like typical DpReview Overreaction to me at it's worst:

"rattymouse wrote: Yep. Buying a Nikon D800 and a $2000 lens just to leave at home is not smart shopping. Not at all.

allstarimaging wrote:
Another example of petty comments launched into the abyss of the internet. I have a D800 and 14-24 combo because I used to shoot professionally and have covered major professional sports here in the US including major league baseball, the PGA, NCAA, and the NHL. My images have appeared in Sprots Illustrated and ESPN the magazine. (see my web site) Until a few years ago there was nothing on the market that came close to the image quality delivered by DSLR's. Now that Fuji and others have entered the market the consumer has more choices and as a result can get their desired image qulity from a much smaller package. Lugging around 15 pounds of gear when I'm on vacation is not something I want to do. I don't need a brick tied around my neck when I'm hanging on the beach. So it might be a good idea to think before you press the send button when you want to pass judgement on others."



Apr 21, 2013 at 10:07 AM
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p.11 #17 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......


I never saw the argumentation from any criticism present here as being about persons, beliefs, gear or opinions.

Most of the argumentation was about accurate use of language when you want to make a point, and why you should not intentionally mislead readers by using inaccurate wording. This is understandable in my opinion, as the wording was quite obviously an intentional provocation (though the provocation misfired and sparked the "wrong" type or arguments).

Back your claims, or don't make them. If your claim isn't a claim, but a user preference: Say that you have a user preference, and why. Almost everyone does perfectly well understand and accept the "lighter gear" and "still good enough" arguments. No problem at all there.



Apr 21, 2013 at 09:56 PM
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p.11 #18 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......


I think the title was meant to be facetious or tonque-in-cheek. I mean ... who could really be so gullible or be misled into believing that a compact/pocket camera can really outperform a top-of-the-line DSLR?

theSuede wrote:
I never saw the argumentation from any criticism present here as being about persons, beliefs, gear or opinions.

Most of the argumentation was about accurate use of language when you want to make a point, and why you should not intentionally mislead readers by using inaccurate wording. This is understandable in my opinion, as the wording was quite obviously an intentional provocation (though the provocation misfired and sparked the "wrong" type or arguments).

Back your claims, or don't make them. If your claim isn't a claim, but a user preference: Say that you have a user preference, and why. Almost everyone does
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Apr 21, 2013 at 10:23 PM
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bobbytan wrote:
I think the title was meant to be facetious or tonque-in-cheek. I mean ... who could really be so gullible or be misled into believing that a compact/pocket camera can really outperform a top-of-the-line DSLR?


Except for the parts where the OP, et al defended it to the hilt ... intermixed with reasons why it was / wasn't meant to be a heads up comparison ... followed by indication that OP was going to give up using the D800 (except for UWA advantage of FF) and it was so good that RAW was no longer necessary.

Maybe it was originally meant to be tongue-in-cheek ... but pages later of ardently defending it as blowing the doors off the D800, etc. followed by ... only for snapshot use ... just had this one kind of in a schizophrenic / split personality mode of what was the real perspective supposed to be. It was kinda like watching the old game show "To Tell The Truth" and trying to figure out which of the presented bits of information were for real vs. folly.


My take away is this ... the OP was VERY PLEASANTLY SURPRISED at how closely "the little camera that could" came to bridging the gap of the "big bad bully" and wanted to share it with his fellow FM'ers in good spirit. Some of us missed it, and then it got a bit twisted around in what the purpose/intent was supposed to be. Meanwhile others got twisted that some were actually looking for objectivity ... since Pandora's "performance" gearbox had already been engaged. Then we got twisted at getting twisted.


Thanks again to the OP for sharing.









Apr 21, 2013 at 10:53 PM
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p.11 #20 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......


I have to admit that I have not read much of what's been said in this thread.

RustyBug wrote:
Except for the parts where the OP, et al defended it to the hilt ... intermixed with reasons why it was / wasn't meant to be a heads up comparison ... followed by indication that OP was going to give up using the D800 (except for UWA advantage of FF) and it was so good that RAW was no longer necessary.

Maybe it was originally meant to be tongue-in-cheek ... but pages later of ardently defending it as blowing the doors off the D800, etc. followed by ... only for snapshot use ... just had this one kind of in a
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Apr 21, 2013 at 11:42 PM
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