trenchmonkey wrote:
In my short time (so far) with the D7100 it's painfully obvious it doesn't tolerate average glass.
Buddy tried a kit lens and I let him borrow my 70-200 VR II. Suffice it to say, he was blown away.
This makes perfect sense given the amount of pixels. What's your impression overall so far?
I don't have any issues so far with the D7100 and I am using it with the new Nikon 80-400 lens. Micro adjustment for me is +3 on that combo. As far as a few dust spots, it is pretty normal for any digital camera to have them and wet cleaning a body under warranty is not a good idea. Cost me $1,800 on a brand new D3 (I had one of the first ones), as the spot I tried to remove was metal and it scratched the sensor.
I am primarily a Canon gear user however I wanted to try out this combo and so far I like it a lot, great range with fast and accurate AF in a lightweight package. Will know more in time.
Ben Horne wrote:
Returning a new camera to the dealer because of a dust spot is much like returning a new car to the dealer because there was a bug splat on the windshield when you drove it home the first time.
absolutely.
I really wouldn't define dust on an imager as a "defect"
When I see a well respected forum member make a thread like this, then I might start to believe it. But its always from people with less than 30 posts. Clean the sensor, takes a whopping 2 minutes, including the time it takes to remember where you put your cleaning kit. Dust happens, oh well.
Ben Horne wrote:
Returning a new camera to the dealer because of a dust spot is much like returning a new car to the dealer because there was a bug splat on the windshield when you drove it home the first time.
No, I'd say it's more like returning a new car to the dealer because the check-engine light goes on 15 minutes after you leave and it requires an hour's worth of maintenance to fix. Wet cleaning the sensor is not a 2 second press of the windshield wiper. You need the proper tools to do it right and it takes time to make sure it's done correctly.
Sorry, I didn't realize people with low post counts don't deserve respect when asking questions. I've been here since 2005, and didn't mean this post to be considered trolling. Really I just wanted to see if it was just me that's disappointed with the D7100.
The bigger issue for returning the camera was the focusing problem obviously. It's good to hear that some D7100 users are getting good results though. I'll probably try my luck at it again in a few months to see if I get a better version.
Glad to hear the 70-200 VR2 works well! I usually only rent that lens when needed, and it had problems with my D7000 which I'm trying to replace.
adamz wrote:
No, I'd say it's more like returning a new car to the dealer because the check-engine light goes on 15 minutes after you leave and it requires an hour's worth of maintenance to fix. Wet cleaning the sensor is not a 2 second press of the windshield wiper. You need the proper tools to do it right and it takes time to make sure it's done correctly.
So your D7100 gave you an error code because of the dust spot? I like my analogy better.
Seriously though, big specs of dust usually only require a small puff of air. It is the tiny specs of dust that must be removed with a wet cleaning. Cleaning the sensor is a very simple process. Nikon just tells people it will void the warranty for legal reasons. They say that to protect themselves from stupid people who decide to get "creative" while cleaning the sensor, and manage to scratch it by using Qtips and a lougie.
Sending your camera to Nikon for cleaning makes no sense. Your camera will be bashed around in the back of a UPS truck for hundreds or thousands of miles for something you can easily do yourself in a couple minutes.
Ben Horne wrote:
Sending your camera to Nikon for cleaning makes no sense. Your camera will be bashed around in the back of a UPS truck for hundreds or thousands of miles for something you can easily do yourself in a couple minutes.
So how do I fix the autofocus problem if the -20 AF fine tune setting doesn't do it?
leighton w wrote:
This makes perfect sense given the amount of pixels. What's your impression overall so far?
I think its more than just pixels, Nikon made one thing sorta "right". Similar sensor is in D3200 (maybe even same), but you wont see users of D3200 raving about amazing image quality. Cause it doesnt have one. Mainly because Nikon decided to kill those 24 mpix with super-thick AA filter.
In case of D7100 they did much better thing, they decided to not put there any AA. Its pretty much APS-C variant on D800E theme. Sure moiré will pop now and then, but I think in this case you will gain a lot for that. Unfortunately lens that can feed 24 mpix APS-C without AA, well Im pretty sure it will be matter of "best of best".
adamz wrote:
So how do I fix the autofocus problem if the -20 AF fine tune setting doesn't do it?
If it was having that kind of problem with several lenses I would bring it back as a return and get a replacement - that is what I did last year with my D7000.
adamz wrote:
So how do I fix the autofocus problem if the -20 AF fine tune setting doesn't do it?
Here's the reason why you've received some flack for your post. The dust spec was the first thing you mentioned in a post with a subject "My Defective D7100?" You only mentioned the focusing issue as a secondary issue. Yes, of course it would be wise to return the camera if your lenses do not focus accurately and you are not able to fix it using AF fine tune. My question is, why would you place so much emphasis on the spec of dust? That's just a fact of life with DSLR cameras -- much like bug splats on the windshield of a new car.
adamz wrote:
No, I'd say it's more like returning a new car to the dealer because the check-engine light goes on 15 minutes after you leave and it requires an hour's worth of maintenance to fix. Wet cleaning the sensor is not a 2 second press of the windshield wiper. You need the proper tools to do it right and it takes time to make sure it's done correctly.
No it's not. It's a piece of dust. Nothing wrong with the camera. You could at least have tried locking up the mirror and trying a blower to see if it removed the dust. The analogy is right, you returned it due to a bug splat. Just one bug splat. If you want to return the camera, that's fine, but the camera is not defective.
lukeb wrote:
Do you have your cleaning setting to clean when shutting down and starting. I have 2 700's purchased in 2008 and have never had a dust issue.
I think I have it turned off - dunno why.. I only have a few spots. My 1Ds was a nightmare. It was so bad infact that instead of trying to spend 30 minutes cloning out all the spots, that I will just go back and retake them (or try lol). I would say there was 100 spots on that sensor....
As for wet cleaning, it is pretty easy. They have various swabs for various cameras - so it is pretty much fool proof. I can't tell you how many times I had to use those swabs on my 1Ds during the 2 years I owned it.
If you are having AF issues, return it. That no doubt warrants an exchange. If it had a ton of oil (as some D600 owners stated), I would also exchange it - but a few spots that take 15 seconds to clone I would not
first the d7000
then the d800
then the d600
now the d7100
nikon doesn't seem to care anymore.
Nikon cares, it is their workers that have lost "Pride of Workmanship".
Perhaps it is all the "Out Sourcing", but I think they are causing that too,
just like most manufacuring in the USA.
bcaslis wrote:
...Nothing wrong with the camera. You could at least have tried locking up the mirror and trying a blower to see if it removed the dust. The analogy is right, you returned it due to a bug splat. Just one bug splat. If you want to return the camera, that's fine, but the camera is not defective.
Did you look at the screen shots I posted showing the focus points and sample images? Is it normal for the image underneath the focus point to be out of focus?
adamz wrote:
Did you look at the screen shots I posted showing the focus points and sample images? Is it normal for the image underneath the focus point to be out of focus?
