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p.4 #1 · Lofoten - 2 FM guys with Leica M9 and Sony Nex


Great photos, Boris and Philippe! Too many favourites to name them all.

Boris, which three lenses did you order for the Nikon? I am surprised you are selling the M9. While I share your frustration with the M240 specs, the M9 has served you well.



Mar 03, 2013 at 04:59 AM
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p.4 #2 · Lofoten - 2 FM guys with Leica M9 and Sony Nex


Jeff Kott wrote:
Since you had a lot of time together to talk about your future trips together, what do we have to look forward to?


Regarding landscape photography I always have to find a balance between family vacations and photography trips without my family. Since I'm an employee with a limeted amount of vacation days (although probably some more than the typical US employee), I typically try to combine family vacation and landscape shooting in one trip. But once in while I do photography trips without my family, like the one to Patagonia or Lofoten together with Philippe.

In August I've planed to go to Iceland for one or two weeks. But this will again be a combined family vacation / photography trip. But nevertheless I've planned to meet there some nice FM guys, like Philippe and jotdeh and some other and shoot together with them for a few days.

Boris



Mar 03, 2013 at 05:00 AM
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p.4 #3 · Lofoten - 2 FM guys with Leica M9 and Sony Nex


Thanks Helena and Carsten!

Helena, the good thing in wintertime is, that the light is quite good nearly all day long. If you don't have really bad weather you will get some good opportunities.

Boris



Mar 03, 2013 at 05:03 AM
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p.4 #4 · Lofoten - 2 FM guys with Leica M9 and Sony Nex


carstenw wrote:
Boris, which three lenses did you order for the Nikon?


15mm, 21mm and 50mm

My plan is to limit myself to just 3 lenses to keep the weight down.
The only lens I would probably add in the future would be a great 28mm from Zeiss (if they would release such a lens), because the gap between 21 and 50 is a bit too large.

Boris



Mar 03, 2013 at 05:06 AM
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p.4 #5 · Lofoten - 2 FM guys with Leica M9 and Sony Nex


Great pictures of a great location! The scale differences of the mountains and the small houses are so fascinating.

I really like the 18mm SE pictures. Was thinking of selling mine for a 21 SE but in this serie I like the 18mm shots more than the 21mm shots.




Mar 03, 2013 at 05:16 AM
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p.4 #6 · Lofoten - 2 FM guys with Leica M9 and Sony Nex


Bijltje wrote:
Great pictures of a great location! The scale differences of the mountains and the small houses are so fascinating.

I really like the 18mm SE pictures. Was thinking of selling mine for a 21 SE but in this serie I like the 18mm shots more than the 21mm shots.



Thanks!

Technically the 21 SE is clearly better. It has nearly perfect corner sharpness even wide open at f/3.4 while you have to stop down the 18 SE to f/11 to get sharp corners and even then the 21 SE resolves more fine details.

I was thinking about selling my 18 SE after I got the 21 SE, but since I got some of my best images with the 18 SE, I never did it. Sometimes 18mm focal is just better than 21mm.

Boris



Mar 03, 2013 at 05:25 AM
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p.4 #7 · Lofoten - 2 FM guys with Leica M9 and Sony Nex


Thanks again for sharing all these great images both of you! Well done! Images look great on my hi rez Google pad screen and I like the gorgeous predawn light you got.
Boris, my favorites are 1,20,25,40,44,49 although there are some others I like almost as much.
Philippe, if you could number your shots it would help us tell you which ones of yours are our favorites.
As I said your last trip, your pictures make me really want to shoot there some time.



Mar 03, 2013 at 05:40 AM
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p.4 #8 · Lofoten - 2 FM guys with Leica M9 and Sony Nex


carstenw wrote:
Helena, if you can't wait for the best light, try at least to plan for it, i.e. try to arrive at the right times.


Thanks, I'll try. He never complains, but I don't want him to feel that photography comes before him...


Bobu wrote:
Thanks Helena and Carsten!

Helena, the good thing in wintertime is, that the light is quite good nearly all day long. If you don't have really bad weather you will get some good opportunities.

Boris


I agree about the winter light. Hope the weather will be good! As long as the sky isn't a dull white blanket I think it'll be OK. We'll be staying in Reine btw..

Thanks for sharing your photos! I look forward to see some from Iceland later this year.



Mar 03, 2013 at 06:01 AM
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p.4 #9 · Lofoten - 2 FM guys with Leica M9 and Sony Nex


wfrank wrote:
This is FM at its best, thanks so much Philippe and Boris!


I could not agree more with Wilhelm's statement.

Have just fairly rapidly scrolled through this wonderful thread. Visited the Lofotens for part of a day only, on a Norwegian cruise in the European summer of 2009 - must get back.

I will take more time and post the numbers of shots that I like best - that will be difficult.

Thanks so much for sharing these and for your insightful comments about planning, friendship and other wisdom. Thanks too for that Patagonia thread in similar vein.





Mar 03, 2013 at 07:47 AM
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HelenaN wrote:
Thanks, I'll try. He never complains, but I don't want him to feel that photography comes before him...


Why not, everyone has their place Maybe pick a couple of "most important" spots and get the light perfect in those, but be more flexible for the rest?



Mar 03, 2013 at 08:25 AM
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p.4 #11 · Lofoten - 2 FM guys with Leica M9 and Sony Nex


As has been said, a truly wonderful series from you both. Thanks for sharing and allowing us to enjoy and comment.

Philippe, please number yours, I really would like to comment, but gave up! Some lovely shots too.

Boris, I love the clarity, cleanness and colourfulness of yours, which never appeared over saturated to my eye, except perhaps the yellow sky in #38, (but only after seeing Philippe"s, and his may have been taken before/after the colour faded.)

Your technical skills (both taking and processing) stand out along with your eye for a composition.

Favourites, plus comments: (They're all so good, these ones just stood out for me, a totally personal thing.)
I hope my comments don't just sound like descriptions, they are meant to be the special aspects that stood out to me.

#5, I liked the light across the fgnd snow in contrast with the shadowed mts, and of course the rising sun in shot. Really striking, (but I wish you could have avoided the lower branches...I bet you did too!)

#16, I loved the arrangement with the curve of the bay backed by the mountains, and the dawn light in the sky with everything on the ground still in the blue night light and house and street lights on.
#18, That pink cloud and light on the mountain, with the same compo comments as above...so lovely.

(Fascinated by the strength of the moire on the central roof in # 29 and 30!)

#31 Love the contrast between the warm lights of the houses and the lowering grey clouds and mountains above.

#34, That large red building just catching the first light against the unlit grey bckgnd. Very strong image

#38, So striking with that yellow sky, (despite comment above on saturation.)

#44, Great use of fgnd lead in with wide angle with all those ice floes to the mountains in almost monochrome.

My top three, in no particular order, would be:

#37,That wide landscape with the distant red building perfectly positioned with the blue shadowed mountains and the gold/blue in the sky reflected in such an area of foreground.

#41, The pastel shades all around the dark red hut, with snowy roof and white edges.

#49, The composition of the dark rock in its pool with all those sand patterns contrasting with the distant mountains almost disappearing in the mist.

EDIT: I'm adding # 11 to my list of favourites, as going backwards and forwards through them to comment, it also stands out to me for lovely contrast in light and shade, and the feel of menace of those towering cliffs to the vulnerable boat, (though no one else has yet picked it out!)

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Mar 03, 2013 at 08:58 AM
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p.4 #12 · Lofoten - 2 FM guys with Leica M9 and Sony Nex


carstenw wrote:
Why not, everyone has their place Maybe pick a couple of "most important" spots and get the light perfect in those, but be more flexible for the rest?


Thanks, great idea! Also, since we will stay in Reine (one of the most beautiful parts of Lofoten) maybe I can get up early one morning and take some photos while he stays in the cabin.

After have seen this thread I really can't wait to go. We visited in June a few years ago and ever since I have been wanting to see the place in winter.



Mar 03, 2013 at 09:12 AM
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p.4 #13 · Lofoten - 2 FM guys with Leica M9 and Sony Nex


WOW, just wow. You guys make me want to throw my camera gear away, ok almost.

Boris #8, 13, 17,38 and a couple more I left out. I'll admit it, I'm jealous.
John



Mar 03, 2013 at 01:45 PM
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Bobu wrote:
Any feedback regarding the images is very welcome, positive and negative. I know that I posted quite a lot of pictures, but it would really help me if you could tell me which images you like and which not and why.

Thanks

Boris

Thanks Boris & Philippe, these photos made me find my cameras and lenses from random closets/camerabags, charge batteries, adjust daylight saving in both 5DmkII and go out shooting!

Feedback to Boris from my perspective - since so many photos did view them by focal length:

18mm - I didn't like the rendering of this lens, rather flat&dull and having not feeling watching scenery, but flat postcard instead. Also it might be since I'm incompetent shooting wide angle I can't even watch photos made with this wide lens?? Photo #20 was exception, only one of 18mm photos in which there was some feeling of watching real thing and "feeling" the shape of the mountain. Generic bad impression of the lens might be caused also by diffraction since all were shoot at f/11 with this lens - if I shoot with f/11 and compare to f/5.6 photo and want to make them look the same as webthumbnails I need quite lot of contrast adjustments since f/11 eats lots of small detail on 36x24mm sensors.

21mm - Much better rendering than 18mm, sadly only used on two photos. Enjoyed rendering of both, but empty space on #49 didn't work for me - #19 was very enjoyable, would love to see this lens shoot on better light

28mm - Very good rendering on this lens, feeling on almost all photos that I'm watching scenery instead of monitor. Didn't like #5 (dull, the mountains dark and don't have the edge contrast this lens produced on other photos - maybe because of f/11??) and #40 (dull and dark, yellow sky feels weird). The barrels on beach; did you process them identically? The f/11 barrel looks little dull compared to the f/4 version and lacking micro contrast - as a photo liked f/4 version better of the barrels, composition better and didn't like placing the barrel so close to edge of frame in f/11 version. Best of 28mm photos is hard to choose, so many good ones; but if forced to pick one I would pick #1, which had best "feeling" of shape of the mountains - I also prefer the little harder light than the red light on shots taken when sun is higher.

35mm - Lens seems to draw nicely, only 1 of 4 was dull/flat (#38 - might also be the light). Best from 35mm was #3, due to color of light and enough light to mountain to give it it's proper shape. Didn't like #28 lacks main subject (mountains not shown enough OR boats too small/not placed as main subject) and middle horizon distracts me. #43 is badly overexposed (no detail in snow) and has rendered very flat.

50mm - Really good rendering on as landscape lens - For close-ups (fish heads #24 and #25) I would have expected much better rendering, now it looks like mis-focused and f/8 has barely put fish into DOF. Liked the house on beach (#41 and #42 - only if could get proper exposure from #41 to #42 (badly overexposed, no snow detail, but much better composition). Best of the 50mm images was #7, liked also #4 but the light was so red that photo didn't work for me. #33 doesn't work for me, the foreground is very flat/dull due to the flight and only small portion of the magnificent red sky is shown.

90mm - Best image was easily #11, great usage of warm light and shadows blue light - also great detail in the mountain. Liked the rendering of mountains in #45. Wish you would have had little more light on Henningsvær shots with 90mm (#31 and #32), with more details of the mountain wall these would have been really nice.

Overall feedback: as set/portfolio/what-ever-you-call-group-of-photos-about-same-subject/location these did work quite well together, some repetition but also great to see same location and how it changes if few minutes. Color balances etc. did work well from lens to lens.

Now I know why hardly ever anyone gives feedback, it's huge effort to try to explain why liking something and not liking something.

Samuli



Mar 03, 2013 at 01:47 PM
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wayne seltzer wrote:
Philippe, if you could number your shots it would help us tell you which ones of yours are our favorites.


Wayne, your wish is my command. My pics are now numbered.



Mar 03, 2013 at 03:50 PM
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p.4 #16 · Lofoten - 2 FM guys with Leica M9 and Sony Nex


Thanks a lot Samuli for the very detailed feedback.

Some comments from my side:

18mm - this lens is clearly not in the same league as the 21mm Super-Elmar, but sometimes you just need a wider focal length than 21mm. And in my opinion a clean composition with the "right" focal length is nearly alsways better than a not so good composition with a lens with great rendering. But of course this decision is highly subjective. Regarding stopping down to f/11, this lens is just not good enough at f/5.6 for landscapes. You will get soft corners below f/11. But the diffraction effect is not very strong at f/11 with the 18SE.

21mm - I used this lens for a lot more images but at the end I very often prefered the ones shot with either the 28mm or the 18mm lenses. But it is a really great lens and together with the 28mm Summicron my favorite of all Leica M lenses.

28mm - I agree, this is a really great lens. #5 was an extremly high contrast image and needed a lot of adjustment in PP. This is probably the main reason for looking flat. You would probably have shot it as an HDR image (with better success). Regarding image #11: That's an interessting comment, because I was not sure, if I like this image or not. A lot of people in this thread had choosen this image as one of their favorites. Regarding the barrel images: They were processed nearly identical (only difference: WB, due to the effect of the ND filter). The f/4 image has a slightly better micro-contrast in the area of the image, that is in focus (which is rather small). I'm still not sure which one I like better.

35mm - I agree with #28, it is weaker than the other images from Hamnøy. But I wouldn't call #43 overexposed. There is a singificant distance between the lighter areas of the snow in the foreground and pure white.

50mm - What's the problem with the rendering of the close-ups? In my opinion the close-up rendering of the 50mm Summilux is one of the strength of this lens. They are definately not misfocused (the red eye of the lower fish is perfectly in focus), but the DOF is not enough to get all fish / the whole fish in focus. It was a choosen compromise between DOF and diffraction, which works well in opinion.

90mm - Regarding #31 and #32 I really like the difference between the high contrast foreground and the low contrast background, but I understand your point.

Thanks again for your feedback and I hope you are doing well Samuli, since I have not seen many post from you in the last months.

Boris




Mar 03, 2013 at 03:55 PM
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p.4 #17 · Lofoten - 2 FM guys with Leica M9 and Sony Nex


Boris, my least favorite shots are N°5, 23 and 33 when it comes to composition. Some also have colours that I find "overcooked" to my taste, like N°8 or 38.


Mar 03, 2013 at 03:57 PM
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philber wrote:
Boris, my least favorite shots are N°5, 23 and 33 when it comes to composition. Some also have colours that I find "overcooked" to my taste, like N°8 or 38.


Thanks Philippe and I agree that all 4 are some of the weaker images of this trip.
Regarding image #5 I already wrote something in my comment to Samuli.
Regarding #23: Do you have any idea what I could have done to get a better composition of the same subject?
Are there any other images where you would call the colors as "overcooked" as in #8?

Boris



Mar 03, 2013 at 04:18 PM
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p.4 #19 · Lofoten - 2 FM guys with Leica M9 and Sony Nex


Sorry, Boris, I meant N28 rather than 23.


Mar 03, 2013 at 04:27 PM
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Bobu wrote:
50mm - What's the problem with the rendering of the close-ups? In my opinion the close-up rendering of the 50mm Summilux is one of the strength of this lens. They are definately not misfocused (the red eye of the lower fish is perfectly in focus), but the DOF is not enough to get all fish / the whole fish in focus. It was a choosen compromise between DOF and diffraction, which works well in opinion.

Hmm, I have not shoot dead fish heads, and don't have any in my fridge for reference either - I guess I assumed there to be some details, giving same über sharp edge definition as the 50mm did on landscape shots, but there ain't much texture or edges with great sharpness. I think it was just my expectations based on the other 50mm shots.

Regards 90mm - You are right, the lights on houses vs. dark mysterious mountain is better for "composition dynamics" - it's just that #11 and #45 made me want to see more - do you happen to have any more 90mm landscape shots?

Samuli



Mar 03, 2013 at 04:59 PM
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