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p.14 #1 · Dynamic Range


Gunzorro wrote:
I'm all for people posting more photos in these threads instead of just verbiage...


How do we do that? Post photos that is.



Mar 01, 2013 at 12:18 AM
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p.14 #2 · Dynamic Range


I certainly forgot back on page 1.

Maybe there is some way to require people to post a picture in order to comment.



Mar 01, 2013 at 02:17 AM
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p.14 #3 · Dynamic Range


Guess I have to learn how to shoot landscapes in the dark, as most of my forum participation is either pre-dawn or post sunset.

This thread makes me chuckle a little. Some people need a little more DR and want it (my camp), some people don't feel they need any more DR and don't care (but to some extent extrapolate and think others don't need it either.)

Just agree to disagree.

-Tim



Mar 01, 2013 at 06:08 AM
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p.14 #4 · Dynamic Range


Too much dynamic range can also be dangerous if you do not know how or when to use it. When initially going digital, I tried too hard to preserve all the detail I could, only to realize later I had produced a pile of lifeless images devoid of contrast and guts. I spent a lot of time reworking those images once I awoke to my artistic errors. More is almost always better, as long as you know when to use it and how much to use.


Mar 02, 2013 at 12:28 AM
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True...I just would like to be able to bring up the shadows a little more in high contrast situations (inherently wide DR scenes.) Not too much...just enough to see detail there so they don't looked crushed.



Mar 02, 2013 at 07:56 AM
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p.14 #6 · Dynamic Range


A-ha. The shadow noise on the 5D3 is disgusting. That's something that I was actually truly disappointed with. To the point which I thought my camera might have been faulty.


Mar 02, 2013 at 08:05 AM
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p.14 #7 · Dynamic Range


Paul Mo wrote:
A-ha. The shadow noise on the 5D3 is disgusting. That's something that I was actually truly disappointed with. To the point which I thought my camera might have been faulty.


Disgusting?

A bit of hyperbole perhaps?

I have used my 5D2 alongside my 1Ds3 for years in all sorts of environments and the files have been essentially identical (except the 5D is much better at high ISO)



Mar 02, 2013 at 08:34 AM
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p.14 #8 · Dynamic Range


dhphoto wrote:
Disgusting?

A bit of hyperbole perhaps?

I have used my 5D2 alongside my 1Ds3 for years in all sorts of environments and the files have been essentially identical (except the 5D is much better at high ISO)


Well maybe the 1Ds3 shadow noise is also disgusting.



Mar 02, 2013 at 08:42 AM
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p.14 #9 · Dynamic Range


dhphoto wrote:
A bit of hyperbole perhaps?



Not at all - they can be a 'gainy' green-brown mess. Do you use a 5D3, and have you not seen it?



Mar 02, 2013 at 08:44 AM
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Paul Mo wrote:
Not at all - they can be a 'gainy' green-brown mess. Do you use a 5D3, and have you not seen it?


Yes I also have a 5D3, no I have not seen it, but then I don't push shadows that much or pixel-peep at 200%, I use fill-in wherever possible instead



Mar 02, 2013 at 08:58 AM
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p.14 #11 · Dynamic Range


I was expecting more from the 5D3. Alas...


Mar 02, 2013 at 09:07 AM
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p.14 #12 · Dynamic Range


Paul Mo wrote:
I was expecting more from the 5D3. Alas...


Seems you'll be better off with Nikons



Mar 02, 2013 at 09:14 AM
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p.14 #13 · Dynamic Range


Paul Mo wrote:
I was expecting more from the 5D3. Alas...

+1, in common sense, i was expecting cleaner shadows better DR from canon sensor iteration:

http://home.comcast.net/~NikonD70/Charts/RN_ADU.htm
http://home.comcast.net/~NikonD70/Charts/PDR.htm



Mar 02, 2013 at 11:06 PM
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p.14 #14 · Dynamic Range


dhphoto wrote:
Seems you'll be better off with Nikons



Why is that? It's just a comment, and a legitimate one at that. I am not alone in feeling the 5D3 is a great camera, but like all tech it has its shortcomings - and one of those shortcomings is dirty shadow noise.



Mar 02, 2013 at 11:22 PM
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p.14 #15 · Dynamic Range


Paul Mo wrote:
Why is that? It's just a comment, and a legitimate one at that. I am not alone in feeling the 5D3 is a great camera, but like all tech it has its shortcomings - and one of those shortcomings is dirty shadow noise.


If the 5D2 noise is really (to use your word) 'disgusting' to you you would probably be better off with Nikons.

Many of your comments are about how bad Canon products are yet here you still are in the Canon forum.




Mar 03, 2013 at 07:08 AM
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p.14 #16 · Dynamic Range


dhphoto wrote:
If the 5D2 noise is really (to use your word) 'disgusting' to you you would probably be better off with Nikons.

Many of your comments are about how bad Canon products are yet here you still are in the Canon forum.



Isn't it great we all have differing opinions on topics. Wouldn't these threads become boring if everyone agreed. Why is it this "why don't you move to Nikon" statement always has to emerge when people don't agree?



Mar 03, 2013 at 10:02 AM
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chez wrote:
Isn't it great we all have differing opinions on topics. Wouldn't these threads become boring if everyone agreed. Why is it this "why don't you move to Nikon" statement always has to emerge when people don't agree?


What's the point of hanging out in a forum if you just have nothing positive to say about the products dicussed?
Borderline trolling.



Mar 03, 2013 at 10:07 AM
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p.14 #18 · Dynamic Range


chez wrote:
Isn't it great we all have differing opinions on topics. Wouldn't these threads become boring if everyone agreed. Why is it this "why don't you move to Nikon" statement always has to emerge when people don't agree?


And isn't it great Fred gives us the "Hide Me" button? It really raises the intelligence level of these threads when you don't see the comments from certain individuals...



Mar 03, 2013 at 10:09 AM
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p.14 #19 · Dynamic Range


chez wrote:
Why is it this "why don't you move to Nikon" statement always has to emerge when people don't agree?


Because it's your only option at the current time and foreseeable future if you need better low ISO DR. You are posting in a gear forum. Why wouldn't someone tell you to get the equipment that provides you with that capability?




Mar 03, 2013 at 10:35 AM
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p.14 #20 · Dynamic Range


dhphoto wrote:
What's the point of hanging out in a forum if you just have nothing positive to say about the products dicussed?
Borderline trolling.


To discuss and learn about gear and how differing people use the gear and their views on the gear. Do you only want to hear like opinions...plug your ears when someone does not agree with you. The topic of this thread is dynamic range. When you entered the thread...what did you think would be discussed? Did you really think comparisons between different manufactures would not come up? Did you really think comparisons between Canon and Nikon DR would not be discussed. Can I ask you why did you participate in the thread?

For me, DR is a very important feature as I always struggle with the photos I take. I resort to using GND filters and multiple exposures and merging. What is your interest in DR other than to bash people who could use more DR in their daily shooting. Please elaborate your interests in this subject.



Mar 03, 2013 at 11:10 AM
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