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p.73 #1 · Automotive Thread


thanks, here's something different from last Sunday at Road America. The show was over, toys all packed up and heading back to the home base


Race Trailer leaving the track



May 18, 2016 at 08:39 PM
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p.73 #2 · Automotive Thread


bumping it back up


Alfa Romeo


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May 21, 2016 at 11:16 AM
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Here's a few I've taken recently.

Pentax 645N & 45mm shot on Tri-x

Subaru 360 van by Tom DeRosa, on Flickr


Pentax ME Super & 28mm on Kodak Gold
Rural by Tom DeRosa, on Flickr

Parked by Tom DeRosa, on Flickr

Tow truck in need of assistance by Tom DeRosa, on Flickr

Dart Swinger by Tom DeRosa, on Flickr



May 23, 2016 at 08:59 AM
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This might be the end of an era for me. Thanks to pressure from photo agencies, and all the professional race series that race there, Road America is no longer allowing amateurs like myself to pay extra to shoot alongside the professionals. There was nothing the track could really do. Two shots from one of the most iconic places at Road America, top of the hill turn 6. Shots not possible from the spectator area.














May 26, 2016 at 12:06 AM
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Tim Adams wrote:
This might be the end of an era for me. Thanks to pressure from photo agencies, and all the professional race series that race there, Road America is no longer allowing amateurs like myself to pay extra to shoot alongside the professionals. There was nothing the track could really do. Two shots from one of the most iconic places at Road America, top of the hill turn 6. Shots not possible from the spectator area.



I never knew they did that. But hey, it's amazing they let you do that. None of my shots over the recent 15 years there were taken with a media pass.

They actually put up more fencing over the winter - almost all angles for Turn 8 and up the hill to Turn 7 are now history, even for media access, unless you have a tiny lens that will fit into the mesh wire. Allegedly Indycar and insurance companies asked for this new monster fence. They also have forgotten how to cut photo holes. Back in the 90s, when there were fences, there were at least holes for the pros. No longer at Road America. None of the newer fences have any such holes.



May 26, 2016 at 11:00 AM
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Two shots from one of the most iconic places at Road America, top of the hill turn 6. Shots not possible from the spectator area.



not possible from the spectator area, but close - same spot 10 days ago, but from outside the fence. Note this is at 960mm focal length


James French in the re-bodied former 2001 Toyota Atlantics Swift 014/CSR 1600cc



May 26, 2016 at 11:01 AM
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I never knew they did that. But hey, it's amazing they let you do that. None of my shots over the recent 15 years there were taken with a media pass.

They actually put up more fencing over the winter - almost all angles for Turn 8 and up the hill to Turn 7 are now history, even for media access, unless you have a tiny lens that will fit into the mesh wire. Allegedly Indycar and insurance companies asked for this new monster fence. They also have forgotten how to cut photo holes. Back in the 90s, when there
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Great, I know they also fenced drivers right in the Billy Mitchell area also. It was dangerous there. I know standing next to the thigh high Jersey barrier always had me thinking as they sped by. I'll be back from behind the fence this year. From an access prospective for an amateur I am liking Road Atlanta more and more.



May 26, 2016 at 12:27 PM
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As for the holes, I think after the car flew into the trees at the end of the straight going into turn 1 insurance had them rethink that. There is a small access hole in the fence going into the turn 14 area, you can get a 500mm in there.


May 26, 2016 at 02:25 PM
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I'm not sure what changed, but 15 years ago, we (the hardcard CART shooters) used to meet with the track on Friday morning and have a chat with the top guys from the racing series to discuss where we needed holes. There was little debate over where these holes would be allowed and where not, as we all understood where the high risk spots were. Then somebody took a wire cutter and the holes were created. This was a very common practice on temporary courses, as very few of them created holes in the temporary fences that were put up differently each year. On permanent tracks, this was generally not an issue until some new fences showed up and then the holes were cut. Example is pit lane exit at Road America, where the hole did not exist the year this fence appeared. It was there for race day on the same race weekend.

As for cars clearing the fence, that has always happened with or without holes. I have no recollection of anything happening where there was an 8 inch slot in the fence.

I remember cars or parts of cars clearing the top of fences, sometimes with catastrophic results for the audience (Michigan, Fernandez wheel), other times just for the driver (Laguna S, Gonzalo Rodriguez), and sometimes what could have ended badly was just spectacular to look at with no consequences (Carpentier Laguna Seca). It always triggered some changes to the track, except I think the fence in Turn 4 where Carpentier did his vault over the crest never changed, as the reason for the car going high was the bouncy tire stack and bumpy gravel trap. I'm sure that has been changed right after the incident, but the photo hole right where his car landed is still there.

Cars going up in the air at superspeedways has been a recent problem, and they are changing the cars now to reduce that risk, as they can't really get the fences any higher unless the wrap the whole track in a cage. I never understood why grandstands were put in corners and exit areas on the outside of those corners, as it is simple physics to understand where debris is most likely to go. I would never sit there as a paying customer, nor use a photo hole. I have done it a few times, but the scary nature of being in the direct impact zone will soon trigger your sense for self preservation. It is a rush having 25 cars go past you just a few feet away at 220mph in lap one, but unless you are a Darwin candidate, you won't do this very often, hole or no hole in the fence. There are spots at race tracks you just don't hang around for very long if you understand how hard these things can hit.

Down at Canada corner, they've now graded the entire inside of the track to complete the trail that begins at the Carousel and now connects where the old Mitchell bridge was, but it's still closed off to the public, because the fence separating it from the track isn't up yet. I can only assume it will mess up the view down into that area completely, just like the outside has already been changed forever with the fence they put up last year.

They've also cleared brush and some trees where nobody is watching (why?), so shots like this one (possible from general admission) on the front straight just before the bridge at pit in are no longer the same, as you now have a parking lot in the background.


Juan Pablo monochrome




May 27, 2016 at 08:53 AM
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I got a face full of grass one year at the Tudor race as they decided to go 4 wide coming out of 2 headed downhill towards 3. That was interesting looking thru the lens.


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pburke wrote:
thanks, here's something different from last Sunday at Road America. The show was over, toys all packed up and heading back to the home base

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7474/27032245541_298445bd75_b.jpg
Race Trailer leaving the track


Was that one of the Follmer/Jones TA cars? If it was, I have slides of it from Bryar in 1970. Unfortunately, I do not have images of Parnelli throwing his helmet down pit road after being black flagged out of first place.



Jun 01, 2016 at 12:35 PM
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Tim Adams wrote:
Great, I know they also fenced drivers right in the Billy Mitchell area also. It was dangerous there. I know standing next to the thigh high Jersey barrier always had me thinking as they sped by. I'll be back from behind the fence this year. From an access prospective for an amateur I am liking Road Atlanta more and more.


I knew a guy who left some Ralt factory paint on that barrier in his first outing with an RT5. It was there for years, like a warning to never, ever head under the bridge side-by-side.



Jun 01, 2016 at 12:41 PM
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. . . I have done it a few times, but the scary nature of being in the direct impact zone will soon trigger your sense for self preservation. It is a rush having 25 cars go past you just a few feet away at 220mph in lap one, but unless you are a Darwin candidate, you won't do this very often, hole or no hole in the fence. There are spots at race tracks you just don't hang around for very long if you understand how hard these things can hit.



It is hard to argue against some of the RA fencing, even though it screws up viewing and photography, and offends my sense of aesthetics. I remember standing near the worker station before T5 in the mid-to-late 80s, watching Indy Car practice in the rain. They were doing about 180 there. The only things between me and a high speed schmucking should wheels touch was a dinky embankment and a farmer-style fence. Heck, it would've been dangerous to watch Formula Ford there.



Jun 01, 2016 at 12:55 PM
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My meager contribution from this weekend...

The 1966 Le Mans winning GT40 Mk II


















Jun 01, 2016 at 01:24 PM
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henry albert wrote:
Was that one of the Follmer/Jones TA cars? If it was, I have slides of it from Bryar in 1970. Unfortunately, I do not have images of Parnelli throwing his helmet down pit road after being black flagged out of first place.


It was a hired transport, filled with old and older Ford TransAm cars, although I have no idea who drove them back in their day. There were two orange near identical old Mustangs on the bottom and one or two newer 1990s cars on the top shelf.



Jun 01, 2016 at 05:29 PM
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henry albert wrote:
It is hard to argue against some of the RA fencing, even though it screws up viewing and photography, and offends my sense of aesthetics. I remember standing near the worker station before T5 in the mid-to-late 80s, watching Indy Car practice in the rain. They were doing about 180 there. The only things between me and a high speed schmucking should wheels touch was a dinky embankment and a farmer-style fence. Heck, it would've been dangerous to watch Formula Ford there.


Well, I was there when Arnd Meier went over the low Armco in Turn 14 in 1998(?) during the rainy race and only because it was such poor weather did his car not hit anyone. But most of that stuff has been dealt with.

Turn 5 used to be awesome for photos up into the woods towards Turn 3, but yeah, things can go horribly wrong at those high speed zones. The fence approaching T5 has already been tested (last year?) by a Ferrari that went airborne for about 400 feet before thoroughly destroying the car and the fence





Jun 01, 2016 at 05:34 PM
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Another from last year.







Jun 01, 2016 at 11:30 PM
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From Spring Vintage 2016 at RA, as usual all with vintage Nikon manual focus glass


R8 aero shapes


Sticker tires


Camaro Z/28 in turn 6 at Road America



Jun 02, 2016 at 08:07 AM
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I'll add my humble effort here.




Jun 02, 2016 at 10:52 AM
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mxquattro wrote:
My meager contribution from this weekend...

The 1966 Le Mans winning GT40 Mk II

http://maxboostracing.com/FredMiranda/Wave.jpg


I dig these shots, but I feel that the Photoshopped motion blur on #2 is a little heavy handed.

I imagine the owner didn't feel like making fly by passes on his multimillion dollar car?



Jun 02, 2016 at 12:58 PM
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