PetKal wrote:
That rumour is a complete nonsense gangnam style......."new batery, new ergonomics design, 10.2 FPS, 24 MP......." etc.
Petkal a.k.a. Supertelemaster
What is nonsense about any of those.
Canon using a different battery with new models happens all the times. Ergonomics change all the time, 24MP is what the competitors use so it's going to happen, so basically the real nonsense is the 0.2fps I'd say.
Pixel Perfect said it best. My 1DIV is almost 3 years old. As of right now canon does not have a suitable replacement for it. Regarding reach, speed, and in a pro body. Myself and other birders and wildlife photographers are holding on I suspect until those demands are exceeded. 1DX full frame with longer telephotos is not the answer especially when canon can solve the problem with an updated version of the 7D to cut consumer costs and get same quality. I'll continue to hold out.
jjoejr wrote:
Pixel Perfect said it best. My 1DIV is almost 3 years old. As of right now canon does not have a suitable replacement for it. Regarding reach, speed, and in a pro body. Myself and other birders and wildlife photographers are holding on I suspect until those demands are exceeded. 1DX full frame with longer telephotos is not the answer especially when canon can solve the problem with an updated version of the 7D to cut consumer costs and get same quality. I'll continue to hold out.
I agree. As of now, I believe the replacement to my 7D is already out...it's called a preowned 1DIV.
I hope they prove me wrong someday with a quality 7DII.
arnold1 wrote:
Those specs suggests an upgrade policy by Canon that causes cannibalization of existing models by releasing new and upgraded models too early.
Really? It seems any time Canon brings out a new model, someone claims cannibalization of other models.
I guess Ford, Toyota, etc. should never bring out new models either? More variety = more customers, cannibalization or not.
There are tens of thousands of photographers that want a new Canon 1.6x crop camera. That is a fact and you can put me on that list.
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I have no idea what that is, but it sounds pretentious enough to merit MF digital, or at least FX, rather than the puny sensor in a 7D's successor.
I find a useful statistic to be megapixel per second. You get this by multiplying the megapixels of the camera by the frames per second. This is a measure of how much throughput the system can shoot and is definitely limited by the computing capacity of the camera. Right now the 1DX is the champion with 217 megapixels per second. The 5D MKIII has 134 mps and this makes sense since the 1DX has two digic 5+ processors and the 5D MKIII has one. Two processors can't do twice as much because you can't get that kind of efficiency, but two can do more than one.
Now to get 24.2 megapixels at 10.2 frames per second you would need 247 megapixels per second which is a lot more than the 1DX. I don't think even dual digic 5+ processors will get you that much throughput. I think dual digic 6s would get you there and the new high megapixel full frame will likely require this sort of throughput too, so my guess is that both these cameras if they are made will have the next generation processor that should be able to handle this sort of throughput. The bottom line is that I think a 7D MKII will be built with megapixels and frame rate similar to those specified, but I expect it in Spring of 2014. For 2013 I see a 70D with a digic 5+ processor 22-24 megapixels and 6 frames per second that will come out in the Spring. Then Fall of 2013 I expect the high megapixel full frame to be brought out that will have the new processor which will handle the high megapixels with a decent (5-6 fps) frame rate. Only after this flagship camera is out will the 7D MKII come out in the Spring of 2014. At least that is my guess.
This will leave Canon with 6 prosumer/pro cameras. Three all around full frame cameras at High (1DX), Medium (5D MKIII), and Low (6D) specs. One very high megapixel pro studio camera, and two crop cameras at Medium to High (7D MKII) and Low (70D) specs. It makes a nice lineup.
Steve I also think 1D X is limited physically by the ability to move the mirror any faster. It may not be a digic V+ bottleneck. Additionally we can't be sure if Canon had of traded high ISO performance for more res would the dual digic's still been able to push 12fps say at 22MP. Also as stated Sony's A77 can achieve 12fps @ 24MP with their BIONZ engine. Canon can change digic specs going forward. I cannot see Canon waiting 5 years for a true 7D replacement. It's now over 3 years and I'd say a PMA announcement would be reasonable.
The only spec I believe is the MP count, dual card slots and dual digic 5, though I don't think it'll do 10FPS. I'd say it'll stay at 8FPS. The card slots will probably comprise of one SD and one CF to accomodate both Rebel and 7D upgraders. It'll probably have half the AF points of the 5D3.
Then again, it really depends on what purpose Canon wants it for.
A 70D with similar specs to current 7D would allow Canon to move the 7D up market and basically give us a high performance, crop version of the 5D III. Canon needs to tap into the market the 1D IV attracted in a much more affordable, package than the 1D X. It would quieten down disharmony of the 1D IV's demise, especially if the new sensor and AF real show improvements over the 7D.
In the past I woudl say it would be more likely 8fps, but Canon has surprised several times now and I would not put it past them to try and rule the crop universe absolutely, with the 7D II.
Steve Spencer wrote:
I find a useful statistic to be megapixel per second. You get this by multiplying the megapixels of the camera by the frames per second. This is a measure of how much throughput the system can shoot and is definitely limited by the computing capacity of the camera. Right now the 1DX is the champion with 217 megapixels per second. The 5D MKIII has 134 mps and this makes sense since the 1DX has two digic 5+ processors and the 5D MKIII has one. Two processors can't do twice as much because you can't get that kind of efficiency, but two can do more than one.
Now to get 24.2 megapixels at 10.2 frames per second you would need 247 megapixels per second which is a lot more than the 1DX. I don't think even dual digic 5+ processors will get you that much throughput. I think dual digic 6s would get you there and the new high megapixel full frame will likely require this sort of throughput too, so my guess is that both these cameras if they are made will have the next generation processor that should be able to handle this sort of throughput. The bottom line is that I think a 7D MKII will be built with megapixels and frame rate similar to those specified, but I expect it in Spring of 2014. For 2013 I see a 70D with a digic 5+ processor 22-24 megapixels and 6 frames per second that will come out in the Spring. Then Fall of 2013 I expect the high megapixel full frame to be brought out that will have the new processor which will handle the high megapixels with a decent (5-6 fps) frame rate. Only after this flagship camera is out will the 7D MKII come out in the Spring of 2014. At least that is my guess.
This will leave Canon with 6 prosumer/pro cameras. Three all around full frame cameras at High (1DX), Medium (5D MKIII), and Low (6D) specs. One very high megapixel pro studio camera, and two crop cameras at Medium to High (7D MKII) and Low (70D) specs. It makes a nice lineup....Show more →
Makes sense but I wonder what would happen if the 10 FPS are done the same way as the 14 FPS of the 1DX. I think we are going to see a 22MP 1.3 Crop 7D MarkII with 5DIII AF and 10FPS without continuous focussing.
22MP
Crop 1.3 hybrid Sensor for continuous video Focussing
ISO up to 25600 with H1 and H2 modes
61 Points AF
8 FPS and 10 FPS mirror locked
100% VF
Dual Cards
2499USD price on release
I'm not in the market for any camera like that these days but I can see some drooling and running to get one.
n0b0 wrote:
Then again, it really depends on what purpose Canon wants it for.
Exactly.
I would think that Canon's plan is to position the 6D and 7DII as two premium offerings with different strengths.
And since the 6D is the portrait/travel/landscape body, I'd expect the 7DII to go further into the direction of a sports body.
So, the number of megapixels on the 7DII could actually go down, while the frame rate is increased and the AF is maybe improved.
The specs that make the most sense to me are: a 16mp low-noise sensor (1.6x for sure), 9-10fps frame rate, and maybe a better AF system (say 27 or 33 AF points; certainly not the 1DX/5DIII AF system). Price around $1900 in the US.
If you think about, this is as close to the 1DIV as it gets - without the risk of creating competition for the 1DX.
Of course Canon can be thinking of something else altogether .
jorkata wrote:
The specs that make the most sense to me are: a 16mp low-noise sensor (1.6x for sure)
To lower manufacturing costs, Canon probably wants to use the same imaging sensor on the 7D2 and 700D. Also, I think 24 MP is the bare minimum needed to compete against D400 and D3200/D5200. Can you imagine the ruckus in all the forums should Canon choose to release a 16 MP, 10 fps 7D2 while Nikon puts out a 24 MP, 10 fps D400? Ultimately, it's a numbers game. How many people will consider a 9 point AF sensor that works at -3 eV as being superior to a 39 point AF sensor that only goes down to -1 eV? Same goes for 16 MP imaging sensor vs 24 MP imaging sensor.
1st: sensor size . Please keep it at 1.6 . There are way more users out there that 'reach limited'
2nd: fps . If it has 10fps then give us other options as well . Even at the current 7's 8fps there is too big a gap down the the only other option. 10-8-5-3 would be good.
3rd pixels . 22 is fine by me , a stop better hi iso would be good .
4th : AF , a cut down version of the 5D3/1dx system . I'm not sure the extra size of that AF sensor would be possible in a crop body. Of course there is also the mk4's AF system knocking around canon's parts department as well
5th: dual cards please. 1 SD at least (not bothered if its 2) . BUT please don't cripple the Buffer like they did on the 5D3 (has the future fw addressed this?) when writing to both cards. It was great of canon to open the buffer up on te current 7D when shooting raw+jpeg so it would be a crime to see it fall back to 6 .
6th: battery and body size. I know batteries evolve and cameras put new strains on the power they need . BUT it's not cool that each 'upgrade' requires a new battery and even worse a new GRIP . Lets face it the grips for the 5 & 7 series bodies are not cheap items so to see a grip you already have become obsolete is bad. The 20/30/40/50D managed to use the same grip (the minor revision in the middle don't count as a new grip) . So why shouldn't the 7 (I would say the 5 but that argument has already been lost )
7: wifi & GPS . YES .
8: release date. ASAP . Jan/feb announcement would be great (I may be able to afford one in 18months) . Nikon seem to be winding down the FF road now that they seem not to want to release a D400 . But a high end crop option still has a very big place in the market. Just think how many Nikon owners had both the d300&d700 . Canon could do much the same with the 7D2&5D3 .
Pixel Perfect wrote:
A 70D with similar specs to current 7D would allow Canon to move the 7D up market and basically give us a high performance, crop version of the 5D III. Canon needs to tap into the market the 1D IV attracted in a much more affordable, package than the 1D X. It would quieten down disharmony of the 1D IV's demise, especially if the new sensor and AF real show improvements over the 7D.
In the past I woudl say it would be more likely 8fps, but Canon has surprised several times now and I would not put it past them to try and rule the crop universe absolutely, with the 7D II....Show more →
I'd like to think that it's gonna be 10fps but then the 6D kind of broke that pattern. Obviously product placement is still priority to Canon, so if they think that a 7D2 might take customers away from their FF flagship cameras and superteles + TC (after all, why buy 1DX + 600L if you can buy a much cheaper 7D2 + 400L?), I really doubt Canon will give the 7D2 such highend features, even if a new 70D would take the place of the current 7D.
At best, I think Canon will place a highend 7D2 slightly below the 5D3. That means some features will be crippled below the 5D3, like the AF, while others boosted slightly above, like the burst rate.
I wish Canon would go all the way with their new camera crop factor and make it something like 3.2. That way, all the folks who are presently "reach limited" with their 200mm lenses might attain an equivalent of 800mm on FF body.
PetKal wrote:
I wish Canon would go all the way with their new camera crop factor and make it something like 3.2. That way, all the folks who are presently "reach limited" with their 200mm lenses might attain an equivalent of 800mm on FF body.
