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 p.6 #14 · Nobody's getting the EOS-M | |
MintMar wrote:
Why do you suffer Digital Rebel discussion here then? They have no prism.
Sigh. If you looked that up in wikipedia, you left out the "typically" part of the description.* A Rebel, etc. is a (D)SLR... a "singe lens reflex" camera no matter what the reflecting mechanism is. It uses a "reflex" design, where the term "reflex" means that a mirror system is used to project the scene.
By the way, and for what its worth, I suspect that the term "Canon mount compatible gear" was meant to refer to non-Canon brand stuff that works with Canon (D and non-D)SLR cameras - like lenses, filters, and so forth. For example, a number of third-party lenses are compatible with the Canon mount system, and there would be more reason to include them than to not.
Of course, it would be easy to get some clarification from forum moderators or Fred Miranda himself - since they get the more or less final say. If they want to include small mirrorless cameras and whatever else in the Canon Mount DSLR forum, then so be it! And, again, I didn't post this originally to upbraid the poster for asking the question here, but instead to point out one possible reason for the low levels of discussion of the EOS-M in this thread!
I suppose it is silly optimism to think that y'all might just let this go? Go have some turkey and dressing, a glass of wine. Share some time with family.
Ah, I thought so... ;-)
Gochugogi wrote:
A separate ILC forum is a great idea. Uniting Olympus, Panasonic, Leica, Fuji, EOS-M, Nikon-J and Sony all under the same umbrella would be the only way to have enough posters for a healthy interchange. If the ILC becomes really popular, approaching DSLR penetration, I could see a separate forums for M4/3, Sony, etc.
However, ILC cameras will need to be physically much larger to replace DSLRs among most pro and serious shooters. I carry an Oly E-P3 everyday to work because it is tiny and light. However--although AF is very fast--using the tiny buttons and wheels is very slow and frustrating compared to my 5D2/7D. It's also so small it's difficult to hold steady and balance even a moderately sized zoom. Of course the hassle is worth it as I can take it into concerts and similar venues I get turned away from with my DSLR. And that Panasonic 45-200 zoom (90-400 equivalent) tucks into my coat pocket with barely a bulge......Show more →
I like that idea of the separate ILC forum. More and more, manufacturers are introducing really interesting and compelling products in this category and for many people these cameras are going to become their favored choices or an alternative. For example, those of us who have been waiting for a very fine (but not ungodly-expensive, like the current Leica offerings) small camera that could function in the way that folks used to use small rangefinders see these cameras as a very hopeful development. For some of the photography I do, such cameras would be better in most ways than my larger, heavier DSLR system.
I also think that the SLR design, while one that I favor a great deal, will not necessarily be as compelling as high quality, high performance cameras using alternative designs continue to evolve. While some photographers may never change, either because the new designs don't work better for them or because they are afraid to give up what they know (sort of like some film folks who can't stomach digital), for quite a few things it will be possible, I believe, to replace the SLR mechanism with an electronic alternative. I already shoot in live view most of the time for some of my work, for example.
So, I actually tend to think that there will be enough serious interest in these cameras to warrant a forum before too long. I know that I'm watching developments in this product area with a great deal of interest.
In reference to the post I quoted above, I'm not so sure that these cameras will necessarily have to be that much larger, and there are quite a few folks who would be happy to have them be small - especially when they use them as adjuncts or alternatives to larger gear. I do wonder if they may decide to reduce or simplify the control systems as they evolve these designs, since the point about operating very small controls makes some sense.
Take care,
Dan
* "A single-lens reflex (SLR) camera is a camera that typically uses a mirror and prism system (hence "reflex", from the mirror's reflection) that permits the photographer to view through the lens and see exactly what will be captured, contrary to viewfinder cameras where the image could be significantly different from what will be captured." Of course, smart readers might also then respond that one does "view through the lens" on the new mirrorless cameras... to which other smart readers might respond, "Well, yes, but they do not use a "reflex" system to accomplish this." Ain't semantics fun? ;-)
Edited on Nov 22, 2012 at 04:30 PM · View previous versions
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