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Archive 2012 · Dilemma: Fast Primes or the Canon 24-70 f2.8 ii ?

  
 
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p.1 #1 · Dilemma: Fast Primes or the Canon 24-70 f2.8 ii ?


Dilemma at the moment.

I have the 24mm F 1.4 II and love it. Fantastic lens , sharp fast , allows me to take low light without a flash, but a little wide for street photography and portraiture .

I own the 24-105 which is adequate but it has its limitations and i prefer something faster.

Cannot decide whether to sell 24-105 in favour of buying a couple of primes. The 35mm 1.4 and a second hand 85 mm F1.2 I have my eye on or opt for the new 24-70mm f2.8 ii. The zoom has the convenience, the primes are much faster. Waiting for Brian Carnathan's (The Digital Picture) final review of the 24-70mm f/2.8 ii before my final decision.

Still leaning towards the primes but experience has also shown me that having to change primes outdoors can be a pain, especially in inclement weather and dusty conditions. The 24mm f1.4 is my Landscape Prime but is starting to love night time street photography.

Any opinions that can finally make up my mind as to which route ?



Nov 01, 2012 at 09:03 AM
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p.1 #2 · Dilemma: Fast Primes or the Canon 24-70 f2.8 ii ?


Classic dilemma. The 24-70/2.8L II is fantastic, from f/2.8 and up. I think the decision simply comes down to your personal take on fast vs. versatility - it's your call.


Nov 01, 2012 at 09:10 AM
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p.1 #3 · Dilemma: Fast Primes or the Canon 24-70 f2.8 ii ?


I really don't like changing lenses on the run or in precarious positions, so I opt for quality zooms whenever possible.

Another obvious advantage of the zoom is less weight and bulk. In your situation, carrying the 24L, 35L, 50L (I'd want this), and 85L is ridiculously bulky, heavy, and a huge financial liability if anything goes wrong.

If I know what I'll be shooting, or simply feel adventurous and willing to confine my shots to certain focal length (or two), I'll go shooting with primes for best IQ.

So, my approach is that you should "have it all". Get the new zoom, plus keep building your primes, and take them out as needed.

Ask for the large slice of pie.



Nov 01, 2012 at 09:21 AM
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p.1 #4 · Dilemma: Fast Primes or the Canon 24-70 f2.8 ii ?


'Have it all' would be the perfect scenario, adds up the cost....ouch


Nov 01, 2012 at 09:35 AM
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p.1 #5 · Dilemma: Fast Primes or the Canon 24-70 f2.8 ii ?


They are not interchangable, sorry! You need 1 mid-range zoom for sure. Figure out your budget and get a zoom and at least one prime. Say get the 24-70L v1 and a 24,35 or 50

Or if you want the 24-70 II (and it is awesome), get that and the 50 1.4 for now and build up later. We didn't just go an buy all of our lenses at once, it takes years to build the kit.. at least for me.



Nov 01, 2012 at 10:11 AM
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p.1 #6 · Dilemma: Fast Primes or the Canon 24-70 f2.8 ii ?


How often do you need/want an aperture faster then 2.8? That is really the bottom line in telling you what to prioritize. It doesn't matter how convenient the zoom is if it can't get you the shot you want then you buy faster glass.


Nov 01, 2012 at 10:27 AM
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p.1 #7 · Dilemma: Fast Primes or the Canon 24-70 f2.8 ii ?


I have the 24-105. I also have the 24mm f/2.8 and four other excellent primes spanning the range from there to 135mm. A few thoughts...

The 24-105 is an excellent lens. I use it to shoot a wide range of subjects, including landscape work destined to be printed quite large. Working carefully with this lens, it can produce truly excellent results. The issues of barrel distortion at the 24mm end and a bit of vignetting at short focal lengths and large apertures are easily and effectively "fixed" in post... on those occasions when they matter. In handheld shooting situations, the IS feature is often very useful, and the lens is a great and flexible performer when using electronic flash. There is a myth that the lens is soft in the corners, but I don't find this to be true in real world photography. The flexibility of the lens is very useful, in that it covers a range from near-ultra-wide to short telephoto - in many cases it can be the only lens you need for certain kinds of photography.

The primes are useful in different sorts of situations. One is when I want to work very fast and light and eliminate one decision factor, namely focal length. For example, sometimes when shooting street photography I will work with a single prime (usually 50mm, but not always) and work very fast, responding to opportunities without taking time to think about FL. This can also give me a smaller and lighter kit, especially when I work with the smaller and lighter non-L primes. I've been doing some work recently that involves shooting at classical music concerts and backstage at rehearsals, and the large aperture primes work well for this, too.

For me, the answer to the "primes or zooms?" question is "primes and zooms." I certainly would be very cautious about selling the zoom in order to finance a bunch of L primes when you aren't yet certain that a) primes will really be your thing, b) the 24-105 will turn out to be unimportant to you, and c) there are some other options.

For example, you mention the 35mm f/1.4L and the 85mm f/1.2 L. Both are the objects of considerable "lens lust," often on the part of people who really would do fine with something different. (Do consider carefully just how much of your interest is practical and how much is lens lust for this very expensive and cool looking gear. Just sayin'.) If you want to find out - and you do want to before spending thousands and tossing a perfectly good lens - pick up the excellent 35mm f/2 and the 85mm f/1.8. For what you say you shoot, these are excellent lenses. They are great optical performers, and their smaller and lighter formats are advantages in street shooting in most cases.

I'm pretty attentive to the quality of my lenses and the quality of my photographs. For example, I own the 24mm f/1.4 and the 135mm f/2. But I have no interest in replacing my 85mm f/1.8 with the f/1.2L nor in replacing my 35mm f/2 with the f/1.4L. Specifically for street photography, the less expensive lenses are, in my view, better options for a whole bunch of reasons.


Dan

Echobeach wrote:
Dilemma at the moment.

I have the 24mm F 1.4 II and love it. Fantastic lens , sharp fast , allows me to take low light without a flash, but a little wide for street photography and portraiture .

I own the 24-105 which is adequate but it has its limitations and i prefer something faster.

Cannot decide whether to sell 24-105 in favour of buying a couple of primes. The 35mm 1.4 and a second hand 85 mm F1.2 I have my eye on or opt for the new 24-70mm f2.8 ii. The zoom has the convenience, the primes are much faster.
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Nov 01, 2012 at 10:30 AM
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p.1 #8 · Dilemma: Fast Primes or the Canon 24-70 f2.8 ii ?


Hey thanks Dan, I really need to sit down and analyse what I actually need. i keep forgetting about IS on the 24-105. I tend to shoot landscape at dawn or dusk rather than at full light. I love my 24mm f1.4.

Agrees the 85mm f1.2 is the lust object and probably has little need there.

Read your article on 24-70 versus the 24-105 and has to decide.

Envious that you live in the Bay Area. loves Northern California and went to high school in San Rafael briefly in the early 1980's. Visits often although i have to say Northern England is equally gorgeous in a bleak, rugged , WET sort of way !



Nov 01, 2012 at 10:54 AM
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p.1 #9 · Dilemma: Fast Primes or the Canon 24-70 f2.8 ii ?


+ Adds thanks to everyone. yes the fast Primes make low light hand held street photography so much easier. looks into wallet depth before a final decision.


Nov 01, 2012 at 10:58 AM
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p.1 #10 · Dilemma: Fast Primes or the Canon 24-70 f2.8 ii ?


+ I particularly like the ability to separate my subject from the background hence the considered move from the 24-105 to the 2.8 24-70..........


Nov 01, 2012 at 11:01 AM
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p.1 #11 · Dilemma: Fast Primes or the Canon 24-70 f2.8 ii ?


jcolwell wrote:
Classic dilemma. The 24-70/2.8L II is fantastic, from f/2.8 and up. I think the decision simply comes down to your personal take on fast vs. versatility - it's your call.


Fast lenses also enables you versatility: Aperture versatility. It's just a different kind of versatility.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.



Nov 01, 2012 at 12:27 PM
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p.1 #12 · Dilemma: Fast Primes or the Canon 24-70 f2.8 ii ?


Executive decision made, I think !

35 mm 1.4 purchase and keep the 24-105 as a day use walk around .



Nov 01, 2012 at 01:38 PM
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p.1 #13 · Dilemma: Fast Primes or the Canon 24-70 f2.8 ii ?


Great choice. I loved mine.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.



Nov 01, 2012 at 04:54 PM
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p.1 #14 · Dilemma: Fast Primes or the Canon 24-70 f2.8 ii ?


Echobeach wrote:
+ I particularly like the ability to separate my subject from the background hence the considered move from the 24-105 to the 2.8 24-70..........


That extra stop doesn't buy you much in terms of better isolation. At UWA setting's you won't get much in the way of isolation at f/2.8 unless you are close to mfd; If you want isolation you will need the f/1.4 lenses. For landscape you might want the 24-70 f/2.8 because of the better IQ than the 24-105L, but the f/2.8 again doesn't really buy you much unless you like to AF in lower light. Most would use LV anyway I'd think.



Nov 01, 2012 at 05:20 PM
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p.1 #15 · Dilemma: Fast Primes or the Canon 24-70 f2.8 ii ?


Echobeach wrote:
Executive decision made, I think !

35 mm 1.4 purchase and keep the 24-105 as a day use walk around .


Great choice!



Nov 01, 2012 at 05:28 PM
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p.1 #16 · Dilemma: Fast Primes or the Canon 24-70 f2.8 ii ?


I have been with all zooms and all primes are various points... I love fast primes but prefer the versatility of zooms, no doubt.

Currently, I have the 24-70 II and 70-200 II and love this combo. Along with a Samyang 14mm f/2.8... I would like to add back a faster prime though. Sold my 35L and 24-105 to fund the 24-70 II. Glad I did though.




Nov 01, 2012 at 05:33 PM
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p.1 #17 · Dilemma: Fast Primes or the Canon 24-70 f2.8 ii ?


Great choice. Love primes. As someone on here once said: even the best zoom sucks from faster than 2.8.


Nov 01, 2012 at 05:38 PM
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p.1 #18 · Dilemma: Fast Primes or the Canon 24-70 f2.8 ii ?


Echobeach wrote:
+ I particularly like the ability to separate my subject from the background hence the considered move from the 24-105 to the 2.8 24-70..........


If you want to separate the subject from the background you need the 200 1.8 not 24-70 2.8 j/k



Nov 01, 2012 at 05:40 PM
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p.1 #19 · Dilemma: Fast Primes or the Canon 24-70 f2.8 ii ?


I like what you are doing, building a useful collection. 24-105L, 24/1.4L II, 35/1.4L. Good choices!

I've ruled out the 85/1.2L II for me -- it is a huge hunk of glass (I've used it), very heavy, and very costly. I almost never use 85mm, and have a nice Samyang f/1.4 and TS-E 90/2.8 for the times I do need it. Instead, I bought the less expensive and more portable 50/1.2L. Terrific lens and great separation and OOF areas.

Just keep building your gear -- you are off to a great start.



Nov 01, 2012 at 05:42 PM
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p.1 #20 · Dilemma: Fast Primes or the Canon 24-70 f2.8 ii ?


I love primes, especially fast primes; however for indoor events shooting I can’t imagine my work without 24-70L (I or II).
Recently I have been borrowing 85L and now I lust to have one especially for portrait or theatre assignments, but for a very long time I was able to do successfully similar work with my 50 f1.4 & 85 f1.8. Only when one starts to compare results in a similar situation one can see difference. Most of my clients do not see the difference.



Nov 01, 2012 at 06:28 PM





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