Ok I woke up early and took some quick sample shots. All taken in JPG and I am so far impressed. I can use my thumb to touch the LCD to select focus points and that is a really quick action. All as shot with no modifications, so please don't be too critical on my work . Got to go to work
Why would anyone crave a tiny camera if lugging lenses around anyway?
Not trying to be sarcastic at all, but I don't really see the need for this.
Any enlightenment would be appreciated
greg
I agree. One reason I shoot a gripped 7D is that I do not like the feel of the smaller Rebels in my hands, and I couldn't afford a 1 serries at the time. Using this camera with anything other than a pancake to me doesn't make much sense. It seems that the balance would be off and that it would not handle well. You put it on a more conventional lens, seems like you are carrying a lens with you.
Just seems like the manufacturers of these types of cameras were looking for another way to sell product. If they would come out with a line of pancakes it might be a different story, until then, I for one will not be getting one.
But I am glad that some people are intrigued by them. As I have always said, doesn't matter what you shoot, just shoot.
rebelshooter wrote:
I agree. One reason I shoot a gripped 7D is that I do not like the feel of the smaller Rebels in my hands, and I couldn't afford a 1 serries at the time. Using this camera with anything other than a pancake to me doesn't make much sense. It seems that the balance would be off and that it would not handle well. You put it on a more conventional lens, seems like you are carrying a lens with you.
Just seems like the manufacturers of these types of cameras were looking for another way to sell product. If they would come out with a line of pancakes it might be a different story, until then, I for one will not be getting one.
But I am glad that some people are intrigued by them. As I have always said, doesn't matter what you shoot, just shoot....Show more →
Hi Rebelshooter,
As I said in my earlier post, this is not and I mean not a SLR replacement. Do not purchase this as your main camera and I don't think Canon ever expected this to be one.
I have always owned a point and shoot type camera for general and family use, mainly my wife. I have owned numerous Canon G series, S series, still own Panasonic LX3 and Olympus EPL 2. They are all good for general snap shots but I do have an issue with all of them in that the sensor is too small. The quality from these sensors are not good enough for my Photobooks. Hence I am not happy to use them as backup camera. Moreover with Panasonic and Olympus the processing needed is different to my Canon bodies.
So when they a announce the Canon M with a 1.6 crop sensor with a small point and shoot type body and ability to attached EF lenses, why should't I get excitted. It will be a totally all round camera for my family to use and also act as a backup camera for me. A camera that I can use as my backup camera. Sure the functiionality is not as flexible as an SLR but it is portable and I do not need to carry 2 SLR in my camera bag.
In any case each to their own and I accept views from both sides.
pcho wrote:
Well I think everyone needs a point and shoot. I always have one and my wife or my kids can use it as well.
Here is my scenario. I go away with my family in the city and I bring along my 1dx and 24-70 and 70-200 to shoot photos around the city. I will chuck in the Canon M with the kit lens. Latter in the evening I go out for dinner with family and friends. 9 ot of 10 occasions I would not bring any camera to dinner especially my SLR. Why, because it is heavy and chunky. However I would bring my point and shoot and in this case the Canon M. If I do decide it is important to bring my SLR then my wife could use the Canon M. Also this way I will end up with photos of myself if my wife or kids are using the camera
Perry...Show more →
Pretty much my thinking for buying an Oly OM-D. There are times you just don't want to go through the hassle of taking the DSLR and the small camera is wonderful for those situations; very good IQ and very good AF.
Pixel Perfect wrote:
Pretty much my thinking for buying an Oly OM-D. There are times you just don't want to go through the hassle of taking the DSLR and the small camera is wonderful for those situations; very good IQ and very good AF.
Hi Whayne,
Totally agree with your thinking. However I just feel that it is so exciting that I could use all my other lenses without having to gear up with all the different accessories. Thats where those cost starts to creap up on you. Take my Olympus Epl 2, purchased that as very good compromise light portable camera. Then I purchased the panosonic 20mm and 14mm lens followed by the EVF and all of a sudden the little cheap camera cost me well over a grand.
Also the Canon M is not a camera that I would use for moving subjects, sports shooting etc. It one that I would generally use for posed shots, in a dining table etc. So slow focusing is not an issue as I have other cameras for that.
Totally agree with your thinking. However I just feel that it is so exciting that I could use all my other lenses without having to gear up with all the different accessories. Thats where those cost starts to creap up on you. Take my Olympus Epl 2, purchased that as very good compromise light portable camera. Then I purchased the panosonic 20mm and 14mm lens followed by the EVF and all of a sudden the little cheap camera cost me well over a grand.
Also the Canon M is not a camera that I would use for moving subjects, sports shooting etc. It one that I would generally use for posed shots, in a dining table etc. So slow focusing is not an issue as I have other cameras for that.
One thing about owning the Oly, is I don't have to agonise over what lenses to take. I've only got two and they are tiny, so I take a very small bag and I'm always ready. With the DSLR I often can't decide what lens to take I've got so many never mind the size issues.
I haven't used my Oly yet for tracking, but it's supposedly not too bad. I've seen shots from guys that go to the baseball and there were some good ones of fast action. From what I gather the Canon is way behind the state-of-the-art for contrast detect AF.
Pixel Perfect wrote:
One thing about owning the Oly, is I don't have to agonise over what lenses to take. I've only got two and they are tiny, so I take a very small bag and I'm always ready. With the DSLR I often can't decide what lens to take I've got so many never mind the size issues.
I haven't used my Oly yet for tracking, but it's supposedly not too bad. I've seen shots from guys that go to the baseball and there were some good ones of fast action. From what I gather the Canon is way behind the state-of-the-art for contrast detect AF....Show more →
Great to know that the Oly has good tracking capability. I guess that is the difference with our shooting habits. I will be using my Canon M for general family outing/dinner photography and if I want action I wont even want to use my 5dIII but rather the 1dx. I treat the M a fun camera.
gheller wrote:
Curious.
Why would anyone crave a tiny camera if lugging lenses around anyway?
Not trying to be sarcastic at all, but I don't really see the need for this.
Any enlightenment would be appreciated
greg
It's hard to beat the OMD + 12-35 mm f/2.8 (305g) + 20 mm f/1.7 (100g) for size, weight and convenience. Such a set-up is ideal for quick shots with friends and family. I won't use it for my landscape shooting though.
At this point I am holding off looking at the the new Canon mount cameras until the come out with some smaller lenses and a EVF or OVF body. I want something small that I can carry with me, So until Canon can provide that I will stick to m43.
Roger -- Thanks! That's a very informative review. Smart idea to compare AF against the T4i in LV mode. Very smart, since that's the same = same.
Like you, I find this a great little camera for what it is. One certainly need to take an extra breath to use it without anxiety. So, take a breath, people.
It will certainly have better IQ than M43, just like the Nex, both with APS-C sensors.
If the price comes down, it could be a useful addition.
With the M and the G1X, I can see Canon is pushing itself into unfamiliar territory, trying to be a tiny bit different from the well established mirrorless competition. A few tweaks to both cameras, and Canon may have a strong position in that market. One major aspect of both these new cameras, that no one has been able to fault with (thanks for your tests here!) is the terrific IQ Canon is getting in these cameras/lenses. Even the G1X's zoom images seem to have given critics a slight pause in their complaints.
Now to round off a few rough spots in handling or features. . .
Perry -- Thanks for starting the thread and showing the examples. Looking forward to more of your test shots and thoughts about the new camera.
For this type of camera/shooting, I don't care about speed of AF. I care about precise and accurate focus. I love that we won't need to MA our lenses to death to shoot on this body. I also love the touch screen to establish focusing point. If it has good face recognition, it's all set as a family snapshot camera with excellent quality and details.
Your point about it being a backup is a good one. Granted, it's for emergency purposes, but it takes almost zero room in a camera bag or jacket pocket, waiting in case it's needed -- unlike another DSLR body. Can't do that with a M43 or Nex, where you need a backup system, not just the imaging unit.
After reading your remarks and Roger's evaluation, I can see why it doesn't have a tilting screen -- being a touchscreen, it might be impractical for such a tiny unmounted body when pushing the screen for adjustments. Not that I wouldn't like a tilting screen, but wondering how practical that would be.
Q: Since there is no option for an OVF or EVF, how is the screen brightness and detail in bright outdoor situations?
rebelshooter wrote:
I agree. One reason I shoot a gripped 7D is that I do not like the feel of the smaller Rebels in my hands, and I couldn't afford a 1 serries at the time. Using this camera with anything other than a pancake to me doesn't make much sense. It seems that the balance would be off and that it would not handle well. You put it on a more conventional lens, seems like you are carrying a lens with you.
Just seems like the manufacturers of these types of cameras were looking for another way to sell product. If they would come out with a line of pancakes it might be a different story, until then, I for one will not be getting one.
But I am glad that some people are intrigued by them. As I have always said, doesn't matter what you shoot, just shoot....Show more →
It seems to me that you're both missing the point! This camera is a P&S with the extra added capability of using EF and EF-S lenses. The capability to use DLSR lenses is not the camera's main purpose, it's a BONUS. No one says you have to buy it or use it with your lenses. You don't. If you want to pick up a DSLR for a particular job, then do it. If you want to just take a small P&S, then do so.
But if you want to throw a small P&S into your camera bag, just in case, and that P&S also has the ability to use your existing DSLR lenses, what the hell is wrong with that? It's the best of both worlds! Maybe you only have one DSLR, and this will make a backup in a pinch. Maybe you will never use the P&S as anything other than a P&S. Or maybe you will find a use for a DSLR lens on this camera! Stranger things have happened...
. Got to go to work
