jctriguy wrote:
Can you point to the camera sales numbers that you apparently have access to that show the 5DIII is selling worse than the D800??
I already did in the past, please check Amazon ranking of sales of 5D III compared to D800. And if you believe that the D800 is not selling well (in retrospect to the post here which clearly states that the sales expectation of the 5D III stayed behind), then well.....the discussion is useless with you.
burningheart wrote:
Should Canon be concerned about camera sales? Yes and they are but there is no indication that there is a mass exodus away from Canon equipment as some would want you to believe.
There is maybe not a mass exodus simply because people are vested too much in Canon glass. You would see a huge move to Nikon cameras currently if there would be a fit option of Canon lenses to Nikon cameras. Many bought just a D800 and a few Nikon lenses additionally to the existing Canon gear instead what was well expressed in earlier posts here on FM. Regarding new incoming DSLR photographers (mostly amateurs), I can definitely see that the majority starts off with a Nikon crop sensor DSLR. The more advanced amateurs moved often in the last couple of months to the D800 or to the D600. The vast majority of photographers which I know still uses Canon gear, but many of them are disappointed what Canon does innovation-wise and in the camera field currently. Of many Canon shooters (about 40 I know of) only one upgraded to a 5D III so far. Again, this is of no statistical significance, but I am convinced that this is a continuing trend from which Canon starts suffering now. And I still keep my fingers crossed that Canon figures it out and changes direction to fight the currently stronger competition in the camera sector.
Interestingly even though 5DIII sales are split in two kits (body only as well as with the 24-105 lens), yet even each of these kits individually has higher sales rank than D800. And if you combine the two kits then they must have much larger sales overall at this point than D800.
Again I don't really care whether Canon or Nikon is selling more cameras. I have used both Canon and Nikon DSLRs and will probably use both in the future depending on which one fits my needs better at any point. But I do wonder how people fabricate all types of claims about camera sales with no data whatsoever to back it up.
How are they compared? I think eventually very few people will buy SLRs. The iPhone camera is enough for many, and then there are all the P/S and MLC toys about.
retrofocus wrote:
I already did in the past, please check Amazon ranking of sales of 5D III compared to D800. And if you believe that the D800 is not selling well (in retrospect to the post here which clearly states that the sales expectation of the 5D III stayed behind), then well.....the discussion is useless with you.
Amazon has the 5dIII ranked above the d800 and the kit just behind. That suggests much higher sales for the canon. In the top 10 Canon has 7 vs Nikon with 3.
And I would hardly hold your observation or the amazon sales rank as clear numbers to base actual sales for either company.
Don't care for the numbers really.
Canon is in it to make money.
That said, the price of the 5D III at release was a joke. Would not pay over 2700 for it.
Had the option to switch back from Nikon to Canon, but the price of the camera was just silly for what it provided.
Even with the left AF issue, I think the D800 was just priced better.
Of course Canon could be incentivizing something for Amazon to rank it higher. Trust no one, Mr Mulder. Especially anyone trying to take your money
jctriguy wrote:
Amazon has the 5dIII ranked above the d800 and the kit just behind. That suggests much higher sales for the canon. In the top 10 Canon has 7 vs Nikon with 3.
And I would hardly hold your observation or the amazon sales rank as clear numbers to base actual sales for either company.
The sad thing with today's big companies is, if their earnings aren't going up exponentially every year, they're classified as failing. Simply making a profit (which Canon is doing) isn't good anymore.
The Internet makes me laugh. The Amazon sales charts were quoted left right and centre when the D800 was on top, now it's Canon it can't be trusted Without actual figures I don't think it's particularly useful either, but it does make me chuckle
Yes, everyone is guessing on actual figures. The only thing we know is the 5d3 has been on sale with deep discounts which usually means it is not selling like hotcakes off the shelves.
Well the D600 has dropped nearly £500 since release here in the UK, so I just think it is an extremely competitive market for a shrinking consumer base? The D800 has also dropped a fair chunk as has the 5D3.
Canon needs to quit putting a premium on their cameras, which would be a good start. Didn't the CEO of Canon resign in the midst of the announcement of the D4/D800/E?. Signs of what was to come?
As stated many times, Canon abuses their consumers and expects them to open their wallets no matter what. I shot Canon since 2003, and switched over to Nikon, and now shoot with a D700. I know it isn't new, and I don't directly impact the declining sales - however, it has gotten my foot in the door with Nikon.
If the 5D3 was priced just below the D800 initially, could very well be a different results report -- and also I would probably be using a 5D3 over a D700. The build quality of the 5D3 is what the original 5D should have been, especially at that price point. After all, in the end, a camera is just a means (tool) to do a job...
retrofocus wrote:
+1. Yes, this is absolutely right.
I like statements like this.
Actually 5D III is on place 7 at Amazon germany. And climbing. Its around 600$ more expensive than D800 (rank 15 climbing, too) while D600 about 1300$ less still tops D800 (one rank) but falling.
And this is Amazon, not dealers.
Before I would "create" any suggestion about numbers improve, who was how wrong/right, I would wait till competing numbers are available.
The first 20 DSLRa at Amazon germany: 8 Nikons, 2 Sonys, 10 Canons.
chez wrote:
Yes, everyone is guessing on actual figures. The only thing we know is the 5d3 has been on sale with deep discounts like many other products. This can sometimes mean it is not selling like hotcakes off the shelves.
vchowdhary wrote:
I believe the US market for these cameras is quite a bit larger than the UK market (yes stating the obvious).
The D800 has not dropped in price due to Nikons policies more than anything else I believe.
However, the used prices for these cameras are a better indicator of what a person is typically willing to pay for it.
Both go for about 2500+.
Yeah, just slightly larger
The D800 has dropped just over £500 (£1965), and the 5D3 £600 (£2399) here in the UK. That's UK prices, on import the savings for both are much greater and you can get hold of a D800 for £1790 and a 5D3 for £1865... I've yet to see many of either for sale second hand on forums yet.
