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p.2 #1 · Could 5DIII focus at f/8


RobDickinson wrote:
The AF module is the same, the only difference is the 1dx has a more advanced metering sensor that feeds colour data into the calculations.


Do you have any link to a reference that they have the same AF sensor module? Per what I have read somewhere, even though they both have 61 AF points, but they're not 100% exact same. I'll have to look up. Anyway, please give me a reference in case I'm mistaken. Thanks.



Oct 22, 2012 at 02:25 PM
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p.2 #2 · Could 5DIII focus at f/8


http://cpn.canon-europe.com/content/education/technical/inside_canon_eos_5d_mark_iii.do

'Like the EOS-1D X' is used every paragraph.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-5d-mark-iii

"The 5D Mark III has a 22MP full frame sensor in a body that's based on the EOS 7D design, and with a 61-point AF system borrowed from the flagship EOS-1D X."

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-5d-mark-iii/3

"The 5D Mark III's AF eclipses both, gaining the 61-point AF sensor from the company's flagship 1D X. "

"The 5D Mark III uses the same AF sensor as the more expensive EOS-1D X."



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Oct 22, 2012 at 02:40 PM
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p.2 #3 · Could 5DIII focus at f/8


I am getting good results at F8 with the 5D III and non-reporting Tamron TC's
even for BIF 1.4x/400mm f5.6


5DMK3 and F8 focusing thread



Oct 22, 2012 at 02:55 PM
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p.2 #4 · Could 5DIII focus at f/8


Don Clary wrote:
Canon Marketing's motto is: "(Series) One is best, we cripple the rest"


While it really sounds nice, it does not reflect reality.

Happy shooting,
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Oct 22, 2012 at 03:34 PM
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p.2 #5 · Could 5DIII focus at f/8


Canon have actually purposely crippled cameras in the past so in some way it does reflect reality.

There are 1 series features that seem to be 1 series features for no other reason than canon choose them to be.



Oct 22, 2012 at 03:46 PM
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p.2 #6 · Could 5DIII focus at f/8


Indeed, buy there were very few such instances.

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Oct 22, 2012 at 03:59 PM
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p.2 #7 · Could 5DIII focus at f/8


perhaps crippled is a bit strong wording

the non-1 series cameras are "limited feature set" via firmware



Oct 22, 2012 at 04:49 PM
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p.2 #8 · Could 5DIII focus at f/8


I really can't see how the 5D3 and 7D can be described as having a limited feature set. Of course you don't get everything the top series have. That's why it's called thus and priced accordingly. What do you want, all 1-series features in half the price? Get real.

Happy shooting,
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Oct 22, 2012 at 04:58 PM
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p.2 #9 · Could 5DIII focus at f/8


agreed Yakim

I just hope 5D III gets focusing at F8 since it is same focus mechanism at 1DX

if Canon adds focus at F8 natively that would be a big improvment to the 5D III (avoid need for 3rd party non-reporting TC's )

we could then use of Canon TC's



Oct 22, 2012 at 05:06 PM
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p.2 #10 · Could 5DIII focus at f/8


Rod, canon 5d iii will AF at F/8 w/ kenko 1.4x dgx tele converter and several lenses including 800mm.


Oct 22, 2012 at 05:13 PM
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Yakim Peled wrote:
I really can't see how the 5D3 and 7D can be described as having a limited feature set. Of course you don't get everything the top series have. That's why it's called thus and priced accordingly. What do you want, all 1-series features in half the price? Get real.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.



Regarding the 5DMIII, spot metering on just the central AF point comes to mind.
I could be wrong but AFAIK, spot metering does not require additional hardware, i.e. it's just software (the hardware part is already there anyway).



Oct 22, 2012 at 05:31 PM
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p.2 #12 · Could 5DIII focus at f/8


Technically is it possible for MagicLantern to come up with a workaround for this f/8 ability and focus point linked spot metering?


Oct 22, 2012 at 06:40 PM
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RobDickinson wrote:
http://cpn.canon-europe.com/content/education/technical/inside_canon_eos_5d_mark_iii.do

'Like the EOS-1D X' is used every paragraph.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-5d-mark-iii

"The 5D Mark III has a 22MP full frame sensor in a body that's based on the EOS 7D design, and with a 61-point AF system borrowed from the flagship EOS-1D X."

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-5d-mark-iii/3

"The 5D Mark III's AF eclipses both, gaining the 61-point AF sensor from the company's flagship 1D X. "

"The 5D Mark III uses the same AF sensor as the more expensive EOS-1D X."



And the very same review says, "The 5D Mark III comes with a new AF system that is, in terms of specification, very close to the flagship EOS 1D X." (This review was written before the 1D X got the firmware update.) So, why say "very close"?

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-5d-mark-iii/14

I'm not dismissing what you claim, but I don't think I would use that as a reference.



Oct 22, 2012 at 07:13 PM
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I recall the 1998 EOS 3 was designed to AF at F8 with center point and in single axis configuration only (no cross). It was the first EOS designed to focus at F8 and not a 1-series. Back in the day I tried my EOS 3 a few times with the 400 5.6L and 1.4X extender and the results were pretty terrible in all but the brightest light. Unless F8 AF kicks arse, it would be better to leave it off...


Oct 22, 2012 at 07:33 PM
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Gochugogi wrote:
I recall the 1998 EOS 3 was designed to AF at F8 with center point and in single axis configuration only (no cross). It was the first EOS designed to focus at F8 and not a 1-series. Back in the day I tried my EOS 3 a few times with the 400 5.6L and 1.4X extender and the results were pretty terrible in all but the brightest light. Unless F8 AF kicks arse, it would be better to leave it off...


That's the thing, many people have tested out that f8 focus and it can work well on the 5D3. I use it for birds in flight shots. It has to be pretty decent if it works for birds in flight shots. Being able to use the higher quality canon extenders should only help performance.



Oct 22, 2012 at 07:40 PM
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Wahoowa wrote:
And the very same review says, "The 5D Mark III comes with a new AF system that is, in terms of specification, very close to the flagship EOS 1D X." (This review was written before the 1D X got the firmware update.) So, why say "very close"?

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-5d-mark-iii/14

I'm not dismissing what you claim, but I don't think I would use that as a reference.


Because we KNOW it isnt the same whole entire system. Because the 1Dx uses its bazzilion pixel colour metering system to track moving targets, and the 5d3 doesnt.

It has the same AF module, it just lacks the same metering input, which should have no bearing on f8 focusing.



Oct 22, 2012 at 07:44 PM
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p.2 #17 · Could 5DIII focus at f/8


RobertLynn wrote:
Can you seriously suggest the 5d3 is crippled?

Wtf.


it's a joke... sort of



Oct 22, 2012 at 07:53 PM
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p.2 #18 · Could 5DIII focus at f/8


Yakim Peled wrote:
I really can't see how the 5D3 and 7D can be described as having a limited feature set. Of course you don't get everything the top series have. That's why it's called thus and priced accordingly. What do you want, all 1-series features in half the price? Get real.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.


Now Yakim there's no call for logic in this debate.



Oct 23, 2012 at 12:59 AM
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p.2 #19 · Could 5DIII focus at f/8


fraga wrote:
Regarding the 5DMIII, spot metering on just the central AF point comes to mind.
I could be wrong but AFAIK, spot metering does not require additional hardware, i.e. it's just software (the hardware part is already there anyway).


The 5D3 is 95% of the 1D X at 60% of the price. So some things are missing, yes, but that's what it is. But from here to call it a camera with limited feature set is grossly exageratted.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.



Oct 23, 2012 at 06:21 AM
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p.2 #20 · Could 5DIII focus at f/8


Pixel Perfect wrote:
Now Yakim there's no call for logic in this debate.


Sorry. It won't happen again.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.



Oct 23, 2012 at 06:50 AM
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