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Yakim Peled
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p.6 #1 · If you were starting from scratch...


thw2 wrote:
Cool. I thought you found mirrorless bodies unbalanced when paired with larger lenses? Anyway, what lenses do you have in mind?


Small ones of course. My ideal set on the OM-D would be: 12/2 + 17/1.8 + 45/1.8 + 75/1.8. I can see myself carrying the OM-D + the central ones at all times. But first, I need to find someone who wants to trade, and that is not an easy task.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.



Oct 22, 2012 at 03:49 PM
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p.6 #2 · If you were starting from scratch...


I bought a used Nikon D3s to give it a trial this summer, I was impressed. I couldn't replicate what I needed in the Nikon glass lineup, but they had some interesting lenses, namely the 200-400/4, which was sweet. I prefer the 100-400 and 300/2.8 combo as opposed to just that lens, so I stayed with Canon and now have a 1D4. I like that camera a lot, but it seems a little out of date feature wise even compared with my long in the tooth 7D...and having two different UI's is a hassle.

I like the Nikon bodies - the shared batteries in the pro line and prosumer gripped bodies (ala D3s and D700 grip), the selectable crop, and buttons/dials for key features (AF and drive speed noticeably), and in general faster FPS are all features I would like. I am also tired of Canon's ever changing menu and button schemes...is it that hard to keep the delete button in one place?

I kept a couple Nikon primes to try out the D600 when I get the chance.

But I wouldn't give up my EOS glass...so yeah, another Nikon body Canon glass guy...go Canikon!



Oct 22, 2012 at 04:27 PM
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p.6 #3 · If you were starting from scratch...


You just can't replace Canon's massive telephoto selection....

Nobody else comes close.



Oct 22, 2012 at 06:46 PM
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p.6 #4 · If you were starting from scratch...


When I first started thinking about getting into photography I actually preferred to go Nikon. But at the time, I liked Canon's entry level DSLRs better than Nikon's offerings. Now I like Nikon's prosumer offerings better than Canon's. So if it weren't so much work to sell everything and I wasn't so lazy, I might think about switching.


Oct 23, 2012 at 07:33 AM
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p.6 #5 · If you were starting from scratch...


I wonder how this poll would be different if it was asked on the Nikon side of the forum


Oct 23, 2012 at 08:58 AM
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p.6 #6 · If you were starting from scratch...


Nikon D800.

I think that Canon left Nikon in the dust when they introduced Eos and they left them trailing for many years.

But right now the tables have turned. Nikon are trying to get the best value possible into the hands of their users, Canon giving what they have to begrudgingly.

You can't lead by following and if Canon refuse to become trail blazers once again even existing Canon users will be suggesting Nikon to the next generation of photographers.

Canon have lost their mojo.



Oct 23, 2012 at 10:35 AM
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I don't see it changing, I know what people are saying online but irl the several people I know who were buying their first DSLR all opted for Canon over Nikon/Sony/Other. The only people I know who use Nikon (less than a third) either switched from Canon or are more advanced than just starting out.

When I was starting out it was the Digital Rebel (300D) or 10D, I think the respective Nikon was the D70 and it didn't really interest me.



Oct 23, 2012 at 10:54 AM
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p.6 #8 · If you were starting from scratch...


I would probably go 3rd party. Probably a Sony with Zeiss glass, everything that I need as a landscape shooter.


Oct 23, 2012 at 11:12 AM
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p.6 #9 · If you were starting from scratch...


I know I am now primarily a Nikon shooter, but…

I shot Canon for 5+ years and loved the files compared at that time. Then came the D3 and I went back (came from Nikon initially) to Nikon.

However, recently Sony have been coming on strong… very strong IMO.

If I were with a clean slate now, Sony would be the top pick. The a99 and its peers are compelling in nearly every way. Their sensors are better than anything I have seen from anyone else at this time. Their AF systems are very good and faster than most other systems in most conditions. They offer Zeiss glass with a look that Canon and Nikon really don't quite measure up against (IMO). The translucent mirror tech., will be something that gets better and better, and affords a level of shooting that can only be described as instant compared to the Canon and Nikon contemporaries. They work hard to bring new ideas to play faster than either Canon or Nikon. So, that is what I imagine would be the direction I would take if starting over.

Sorry if that is not what the consensus is, but that's what I believe would be the best of all worlds.



Oct 23, 2012 at 12:01 PM
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"They offer Zeiss glass with a look that Canon and Nikon really don't quite measure up against (IMO)"

I am totally ignorant of 35mm format Zeiss glass. Is it really better than Canon?, not asking to be combative, just asking for information.



Oct 23, 2012 at 03:08 PM
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I've never personally used it but most say there is a distinct 3D look to the images that come from those lenses. They are also known for famously sharp corners and edges.


Oct 23, 2012 at 03:20 PM
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p.6 #12 · If you were starting from scratch...


andyjaggy82 wrote:
I've never personally used it but most say there is a distinct 3D look to the images that come from those lenses. They are also known for famously sharp corners and edges.


I have a Conurus converted Zeiss 24-85 zoom that I use on a 5d and 1d3. The colors from that lens, the sharpness and the micro contrast are really superb. I wouldn't say it is "better" than what I get from my Canon L's, but it is certainly different - different in a completely pleasing way (to me).




Oct 24, 2012 at 04:38 PM
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p.6 #13 · If you were starting from scratch...


Sinar Artec, P45+ digital back, Rodenstock 23mm, Schneider 28mm, Schneider 35mm, Schneider 47mm and Schneider 90mm. For my architecture clients and personal landscape (and if I could ever get the time), this would be my ideal set-up.


Oct 24, 2012 at 05:14 PM
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p.6 #14 · If you were starting from scratch...


No question, it would have to be Nikon.

Having used various 1D (III and IV) and 7d/5D II

The D800 sensor is just significantly better than all of them.




Oct 24, 2012 at 08:42 PM
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p.6 #15 · If you were starting from scratch...


It really depends on what you expect and need of the system. For me, I depend on my gear. I live as a full time professional photographer. A lot of times I use my gear to the max of its capabilities. I know its limitations and work with them to make the images I want and my clients need. I have about 12 lenses and each one has a purpose. AT this point in my career I know what works for me and what I need.

I chose Canon due to its reliability, excellent Image quality and consistency in a wide range of conditions and lens and accessory selection.

I could do just as well with Nikon I recon but Sony/Pentax et. al. lack some things that I need. Does not mean they are but, just that for my situation they are not ideal systems.

If money were no object I would add a Medium Format back (IQ180) and a compact field/view camera for all my architecture, product and landscape work but I would still have the Canon system.



Oct 24, 2012 at 10:24 PM
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p.6 #16 · If you were starting from scratch...


vchowdhary wrote:
No question, it would have to be Nikon.

Having used various 1D (III and IV) and 7d/5D II

The D800 sensor is just significantly better than all of them.




Yep...the D800 and a mitt full of Zeisse lenses. Biggest problem is I currently have a mitt full of Canon glass so I am taking a wait and see approach as to what Canon delivers for it's studio / landscape camera before making any decisions.



Oct 24, 2012 at 10:31 PM
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p.6 #17 · If you were starting from scratch...


I thought about it this way before voting:
'If all of my camera gear was stolen, EVERYTHING, and I was handed a check for the full value of every body and every lens... would I buy everything I have now again or switch to something else, like Nikon?'

I voted to stay with Canon, and I would probably re-buy almost everything I have for these reasons:

-I've had some EXCELLENT experiences with Canon Customer Service. There have been some rough times too, but those were always more than compensated for in the end. This is a huge deal for me.

-I've used both systems and I really enjoy Canon's ergonomics and interface. I find it very intuitive and fast to use. The new programmable buttons on my 5d3 make it THAT much better. I hate when I have to use a camera with out the back wheel or joystick.

-I love my lenses, many of which other companies don't offer. 85L2, 17tse, 24tse, 24-105 f4, 70-200f4IS, 40 pancake, etc. And lenses that are offered by other companies, I typically prefer the look/performance of the Canon version (LOVE my 35L even though other companies might have the same lens).

One of the cameras I was given to test out this year was the Pentax K5. Despite hating the menus and some of the UI, there was enough buttons on the back of the camera that I could avoid going into the menus most of the time. It was a really sweet camera with a great sony sensor. I found myself feeling like I'd be tempted if they had a fullframe version. I got on to check out what lenses Pentax has available, and I immediately knew that Pentax wasn't for me. For a casual or travel photographer that really just wants 1-2 zooms and 1 prime, Pentax offers enough. For someone who is an advanced amateur or pro shooters, I think the shortage of lens options makes it very unlikely to switch to something like Pentax/Sony/etc, in my opinion.

-Easy to find lenses and accessories. This has 2 parts: 1st) I can go online or craigslist and find any 2nd hand lens I could ever want, often for a great price. 2nd) I currently live in a 3rd world country and travel a lot. I can always find Canon batteries, chargers, shutter remotes, etc anywhere I go. I recently ran into a couple that uses Nikon when travelling that told me they were going to switch to Canon. I said Nikon bodies are great now too, so I think if you have used Nikon for 20 years (which they have), I wouldn't recommend switching. They explained that a couple times now, while travelling, they've needed to buy camera gear and run into short supply of Nikon equipment in small shops in small towns around the world. Once, their long lens broke while on a animal safari-type trip, the local camera shop only had 1-2 nikon lenses, but plenty of Canon telephotos to choose from. They had to finish the trip with their standard zoom. On another trip, they lost their battery charger and couldn't find one at the local store (these stories are happening in places like Africa/remote Alaska-Canada, etc). In small places where I often travel in Asia, small camera stores will even offer things like battery grips and flashes for Canon, but often not for other cameras.

-Nikon's biggest draw right now, ironically, is Sony sensors. The cleaner shadows could be an asset, but honestly, it isn't something that comes up THAT often for me. HOWEVER, not having ANY cross AF points outside the middle 3 columns IS something that would affect me often. I made myself seriously consider the D800 before continuing to sacrifice my hard-earned money to camera companies. In the end, the 5d3 felt like a complete package, the d800 was a sweet sensor in a body that I didn't enjoy dealing with. I'd describe the original 5D similar, sweet sensor in a boring body, but at least I could mount my favorite lenses on that body.



Oct 24, 2012 at 10:39 PM
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p.6 #18 · If you were starting from scratch...


vchowdhary wrote:
No question, it would have to be Nikon.

Having used various 1D (III and IV) and 7d/5D II

The D800 sensor is just significantly better than all of them.


But what if next month Canon will launch a camera with a better sensor than the D800? Will you switch back to Canon? It's a never-ending cycle.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.



Oct 25, 2012 at 03:44 AM
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p.6 #19 · If you were starting from scratch...


Yakim Peled wrote:
But what if next month Canon will launch a camera with a better sensor than the D800? Will you switch back to Canon? It's a never-ending cycle.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.


I think the premise was if we started from scratch. I do prefer the default color output from Canon and if I shot jpeg only I would keep Canon.




Oct 25, 2012 at 07:44 AM
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p.6 #20 · If you were starting from scratch...


Still pick Canon... but that is right now. 9 months ago, I would have said Nikon because I thought the D700 was a killer package. The 5DmkIII is exactly what I was hoping for.


Oct 25, 2012 at 08:04 AM
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