p.6 #1 · I think Canon solved the shadow recovery issue in their sensors with the 6D sensor!
gdanmitchell wrote:
Looked at one way, all gear limits us. Looked at another, all gear liberates us. Pick one and get on with it.
Neither. It's knowledge that librates us. Gear no good without the knowledge of how to use it. But with that you also need knowledge of limitations, of what is and isn't possible. And understanding limitations is key to recognizing when something comes along that pushes those limits back and let's you do something new, and maybe even better.
p.6 #2 · I think Canon solved the shadow recovery issue in their sensors with the 6D sensor!
thw2 wrote:
The Sony EXMOR sensors have 14 stops of dynamic range at base ISO 100.
And how many at 20,000 ISO?
The BASE ISO is 850. That is 12 stops at 850, with 3 stops highlight recovery in Canon Log Gamma. It maintains 12 stops up to 20,000. It goes as low as 320.
p.6 #3 · I think Canon solved the shadow recovery issue in their sensors with the 6D sensor!
gdanmitchell wrote:
(By the way, I have yet to "skip a shot" on account of my equipment. Instead, I consider how to best use my equipment to make that shot. It virtually always works.)
you aren't trying hard enough to look at opportunities then, probably automatically, without even realizing it, writing off tons of shots after being programmed from years of low DR shooting slide film or something
p.6 #4 · I think Canon solved the shadow recovery issue in their sensors with the 6D sensor!
skibum5 wrote:
you aren't trying hard enough to look at opportunities then, probably automatically, without even realizing it, writing off tons of shots after being programmed from years of low DR shooting slide film or something
Nah. A skilled photographer like Dan knows his equipment and how it responds. He takes it all into consideration and makes the composition take into account how the tones will turn out.
p.6 #6 · I think Canon solved the shadow recovery issue in their sensors with the 6D sensor!
tived wrote:
We are just never going to be happy?
just wait the perfect camera is coming... one day ;-)
Henrik
That is the whole problem.
Some people just don't realise how bloody fantastic these modern cameras are and insist on bleating about how the other brand is better and the on/off switch is in the wrong place or it doesn't have that extra third of a stop of dynamic range.
I have never ever seen a reproduced image where you could tell difinitively if it was taken on a particular model or make of camera.
Still some people can't be bothered to learn how to use the camera properly and insist little things like correct exposure aren't important and want the camera to do it for them. Unsurprisingly, these seem to be the same unsatisfied buyers.
p.6 #8 · I think Canon solved the shadow recovery issue in their sensors with the 6D sensor!
dhphoto wrote:
That is the whole problem.
Some people just don't realise how bloody fantastic these modern cameras are and insist on bleating about how the other brand is better and the on/off switch is in the wrong place or it doesn't have that extra third of a stop of dynamic range.
I have never ever seen a reproduced image where you could tell difinitively if it was taken on a particular model or make of camera.
Still some people can't be bothered to learn how to use the camera properly and insist little things like correct exposure aren't important and want the camera to do it for them. Unsurprisingly, these seem to be the same unsatisfied buyers. ...Show more →
Man you are really something. Show me one post that says correct exposure is not important and that we want the camera to do it for us. What everyone is trying to get through here is that even with a Correctly exposed image, there are many cases where you are forced to either blow out the highlights and get the shadows to reveal detail or have the shadows go dark and correctly expose the details. We have tools like GND filters or merging multiple images...but conditions in the real world make these techniques at times challenging. Having a sensor with a larger dynamic range just extends our abilities to get the shot without resorting to other techniques to create the dynamic range in the photo.
Is this really hard for you to understand, or are you just stubborn and loves to argue?
p.6 #9 · I think Canon solved the shadow recovery issue in their sensors with the 6D sensor!
chez wrote:
I use HDR, I use layers blending and I use GND filters to get my photos...but I'd rather just take that one image and have that sensor be able to keep from blowing highlights and in the same image, be able to have details in the shadows or dark areas. Like most people, time is limited and the more time I need to sit in post processing, the less time I have for other joys of life. Sure, I can make beautiful landscape photos with my current gear, but like anyone else, I am always looking for ways to make it easier and better.
Now is there anything wrong with that mate?...Show more →
I already agreed with you. I said of course being able to pull a clean shadow from a single photo is preferable... What more do you want from me? lol
p.6 #10 · I think Canon solved the shadow recovery issue in their sensors with the 6D sensor!
chez wrote:
Man you are really something. Show me one post that says correct exposure is not important and that we want the camera to do it for us. What everyone is trying to get through here is that even with a Correctly exposed image, there are many cases where you are forced to either blow out the highlights and get the shadows to reveal detail or have the shadows go dark and correctly expose the details. We have tools like GND filters or merging multiple images...but conditions in the real world make these techniques at times challenging. Having a sensor with a larger dynamic range just extends our abilities to get the shot without resorting to other techniques to create the dynamic range in the photo.
Is this really hard for you to understand, or are you just stubborn and loves to argue?...Show more →
Yes, but if you get the exposure right in the first place..
p.6 #11 · I think Canon solved the shadow recovery issue in their sensors with the 6D sensor!
tived wrote:
We are just never going to be happy?
just wait the perfect camera is coming... one day ;-)
Henrik
All we want is a DSLR, with the speed, AF and high iso performance, features, and build of the 5D3 but with 80MP and 15 stop DR with clean shadows all at a $2500 price point. Is that too much to ask after at least 10 years of DSLR development?
I would bet good money that if a product like that is released soon that most people will be happy, including us discriminating and moody folk. (well Im sure Phase One et. al. would be devastated )
p.6 #13 · I think Canon solved the shadow recovery issue in their sensors with the 6D sensor!
Sneakyracer wrote:
All we want is a DSLR, with the speed, AF and high iso performance, features, and build of the 5D3 but with 80MP and 15 stop DR with clean shadows all at a $2500 price point. Is that too much to ask after at least 10 years of DSLR development?
I would bet good money that if a product like that is released soon that most people will be happy, including us discriminating and moody folk. (well Im sure Phase One et. al. would be devastated )
No GPS, wifi, mirror lock-up button no 1/500 flash sync $2500 is too much also needs LTE for instant cloud upload.
p.6 #14 · I think Canon solved the shadow recovery issue in their sensors with the 6D sensor!
dhphoto wrote:
Still some people can't be bothered to learn how to use the camera properly and insist little things like correct exposure aren't important and want the camera to do it for them. Unsurprisingly, these seem to be the same unsatisfied buyers.
there he goes again
i guess there is no point to trying to explain it again, either you simply can't get the concept, but since it is so simple and it's been explained so many times to you, it's probably that you are just trolling in one fashion or another, in which case it's completely futile to bother
p.6 #15 · I think Canon solved the shadow recovery issue in their sensors with the 6D sensor!
Monito wrote:
Nah. A skilled photographer like Dan knows his equipment and how it responds. He takes it all into consideration and makes the composition take into account how the tones will turn out.
yeah he knows how it will respond, so innately, that he perhaps automatically skips over things (or changes composition etc. automatically) that won't work maybe without even realizing he is skipping over things
while there are nearly an infinite amount of shots you can take where it won't be an issue, it's over the top to say that their are virtually no shots where you can't easily control the situation, that itself is almost infinitely off (and even for the ones where you can control it, sometimes it is a pain to have to do all sorts of this or that and maybe it wastes a lot of time so if you could avoid that waste, why not? but that is a separate issue, as is rescuing shots where the exposure was done poorly by mistake, i'm sure everyone has some fleeting moment that takes you by surprise and the exposure gets messed up now and then, at the least but both of these are separate bonuses for more DR)
p.6 #16 · I think Canon solved the shadow recovery issue in their sensors with the 6D sensor!
Man you are really something. Show me one post that says correct exposure is not important and that we want the camera to do it for us. What everyone is trying to get through here is that even with a Correctly exposed image, there are many cases where you are forced to either blow out the highlights and get the shadows to reveal detail or have the shadows go dark and correctly expose the details. We have tools like GND filters or merging multiple images...but conditions in the real world make these techniques at times challenging. Having a sensor with a larger dynamic range just extends our abilities to get the shot without resorting to other techniques to create the dynamic range in the photo.
Is this really hard for you to understand, or are you just stubborn and loves to argue?...Show more →
I wouldn't waste my time. I'm not even saying that this was an ideal exposure (because you're not a photographer until you get it right 100% of the time, right?). But the very use of the term 'correct exposure' pretty much indicates that he *just doesn't get it*.
DHPhoto: I don't know, at the moment, you seem to be by far the most emotional person in this thread, completely skirting around the point and getting very defensive.
Let's put it this way, you go to high contrast scene, and you have one camera loaded with Tmax 100 and another loaded with slide film. Is there a monolithic 'correct exposure'? Seriously, I think a lot of people here haven't insulted you in the same fashion that you've insulted me/others, but many of us are, at the very least, laughing at your responses.
EDIT: Or hell. Even if you take the picture on Tmax, 'correctly' exposed. Are you done? You can go straight to print?
p.6 #17 · I think Canon solved the shadow recovery issue in their sensors with the 6D sensor!
For that matter if good photographers can get by so handily on old technology they shouldn't be using digital at all because if you know how to expose correctly you should still be shooting film, right? I mean only people who don't know how to expose film properly need to use digital, right?
p.6 #18 · I think Canon solved the shadow recovery issue in their sensors with the 6D sensor!
artd wrote:
For that matter if good photographers can get by so handily on old technology they shouldn't be using digital at all because if you know how to expose correctly you should still be shooting film, right? I mean only people who don't know how to expose film properly need to use digital, right?
Film! Real mean used chromes. 4 stops of DR, now those were the days.
p.6 #20 · I think Canon solved the shadow recovery issue in their sensors with the 6D sensor!
artd wrote:
For that matter if good photographers can get by so handily on old technology they shouldn't be using digital at all because if you know how to expose correctly you should still be shooting film, right? I mean only people who don't know how to expose film properly need to use digital, right?
Oh, how I love it when folks argue against the absurd phantom position that no one actually holds.
