p.12 #1 · 20MP Canon 6D full frame DSLR announced!
dhphoto wrote:
I certainly don't hate the 6D, I really just don't understand the point of it.
If Canon really wanted to make a full frame 60D why not give it a pop-up flash?
If Canon really wanted to make a full frame 7D why not give it a pop-up flash, more FPS and a decent focusing system?
Maybe it was in the pipeline before they knew about the D600 and it was too soon to change anything.
I'm not an engineer, but . . .
You know a full frame requires not only a larger mirror/box, but also a larger prism and ground glass, right? That translates to considerably larger size than APS-C box/prism assembly. To stick a flash on top makes a more extended front overhang than APS-C bodies. Nikon is having some clearance problems with their PC lenses -- don't know if it affects any others. I, for one, do not wish to impede the nice Canon TS-E lens controls or clearance, and prefer to leave off the build in flash if it means a longer/bulkier prism housing.
I do like the flash feature and use it frequently on my 60D, and previous T2i.
p.12 #2 · 20MP Canon 6D full frame DSLR announced!
What I don't like.
SD card
1-pt x-type. Seriously? We're still in 2008?
1/4000 max shutter. In a rebel ok. But in a $2000 camera. That's ridiculous!
1/180 Flash synch. WTF?
I do not know the point of this EOS 6d. Entry level FF-ers can just go get a 5d2 that has higher MP, possibly better centre-point AF (6 assist) for AI Servo, faster max shutter, faster flash synch at a cheaper price.
Sure there are some modern advances with the 6d but it's not compelling enough to me.
p.12 #3 · 20MP Canon 6D full frame DSLR announced!
Gunzorro wrote:
I'm not an engineer, but . . .
You know a full frame requires not only a larger mirror/box, but also a larger prism and ground glass, right? That translates to considerably larger size than APS-C box/prism assembly. To stick a flash on top makes a more extended front overhang than APS-C bodies. Nikon is having some clearance problems with their PC lenses -- don't know if it affects any others. I, for one, do not wish to impede the nice Canon TS-E lens controls or clearance, and prefer to leave off the build in flash if it means a longer/bulkier prism housing.
I do like the flash feature and use it frequently on my 60D, and previous T2i. ...Show more →
But that's my point.
It's utterly predictable, it's a 5D mark 2.1
If Canon want to mix it with Nikon they are going to have to do something better and more innovative than this and that odd new Eos M
p.12 #8 · 20MP Canon 6D full frame DSLR announced!
dhphoto wrote:
I don't regard ISO 12,800 and above as serious ISO's at all
Yes, I expected this. But I think everybody decides on his own what is serious or not. I do not regard using flashes at weddings is serious, too. For some "shooters" (like) me it is a must to be able to get clean ISO 6.400 shots. And it gives freedom to be able to go even above. 5D III, 1D X and D4 where the only bodies, that offer those capability in acceptable image quality. If D6 does too (what I expect) I do not care about "AF gimmicks". They are needless for 90% of my photography. I just would go on to use center point and recompose. And I would love to be able to exchange my focusing screens and focus manually more precise again, too.
p.12 #10 · 20MP Canon 6D full frame DSLR announced!
michael49 wrote:
yea, but the D600 doesn't have the Fisher-Price AF system of the 6d.
It's actually worse. Nikon lifted the AF system of a cropped camera and plunk it on a larger Full Frame sensor. The 39 pt AF might as well become a cluster-fcuk centre point AF system.
p.12 #11 · 20MP Canon 6D full frame DSLR announced!
slopokdave wrote:
So I just bought a 7D yesterday... hm... I got it from Best Buy but I have 60 day return and 60 day price match w/ being a Silver member. Also, I either can sell the kit 18-135 lens or sell my 17-50 tamron, I don't need both. So in the end it will only cost me $1300.
Not sure what to do!! Right now planning on keeping the 7D. I guess?
sell the 18-135, the tamron 17-50 is awesome
i'd take the 7D over this 6D unless you mostly shoot non-distance limited, non-action, especially if often at upper mid to high iso (and in the latter case, owning but one lens, i'd look long and hard at the D600)
p.12 #12 · 20MP Canon 6D full frame DSLR announced!
jamesf99 wrote:
here's a summary quote from DPR - which is Amazon BTW.
"Overall, though, it's difficult to shake the feeling that the EOS 6D simply lacks the 'wow' factor of its main rival. Whereas Nikon seems to have taken the approach of taking away as little as possible from D800 when creating the D600, Canon appears almost to have gone the other way, *** removing as much as it thinks it can get away with at the price. *** The result is the kind of conservative, slightly unimaginative design that's become the company's hallmark. It's still bound to be a very good camera, of course; just perhaps not quite as good as it could be."
I've read many posts/threads on multiple sites. People are finally waking up to Canon, and the response is 85%+ negative. Canon has done this for 6 years now. I purchased multiple 5ds, including some in early 2006 and a couple in 2007, for $2100. New. With warranty.
Comparisons are fair as with all products.Expecting more, as evidenced by what other companies deliver, is not in "the realm of fantasy"....Show more →
No, of course not. But why did you purchase your 5Ds? Why did I purchase my 5D II? Because it was the best offer to fit my needs. I am pretty sure the 6D will find its customers. It must not be you neither one of the "unhappy" people expectig "more". There is more. Who wants or needs it can go and buy it, right?
p.12 #14 · 20MP Canon 6D full frame DSLR announced!
Ralph Conway wrote:
Lets see the IQ of this new sensor at ISO 25K.
D600 is a useless camera for me shooting events at AL. That is what I already had with 5D II.
And if D600 offers "better AF" has to be found out first. Numbers do not make quality. D700s AF worked worse for me than 5D IIs. D800s AF still has big issues. Nobody knows about D600s AF. I hope in this case Canon just reduced the numbers, not the accuracy of 5D IIIs/1D Xs AF.
This new camera features 25K, -3 EV sensitivness, silent mode at 20MP FF. For 1.4K $ less than its only competitor (for me). Next to that viewing screens are exchangeable, it is smaller, weights less and has wifi and GPS already inside. Together with 24-70 and 70-200 F 2.8 this would be all I NEED for the next couple of years. If IQ is good.
I will try to get my hands on at photokina before/after opening times.
Totally agree with this. I recently acquired a mint used 5D2 and am keeping my 5D as a backup but if I was in the market for a new FF camera, I would definetly consider this one: I like to always have a camera with me, and a lighter weight body would be welcome, especially with a couple of alternative primes or a light lens set up; in addition to this, it retains the replaceable focusing screen, has silent mode, retains micro adjustment... I have seen over the years what can be done with a clean 5D ("classic") image (pretty nice 13"x19", even after some cropping), and do not feel eager to jump to 40MP right now (esp seeing what 20MP already require in terms of processing power), so I will easily forgive Canon for not falling in the MP race (though, I think they should eventually provide a higher MP body on the 1Dx format for the categories of pros who need more resolution).
A few days ago, someone suggested that a "light, FF rebel with good support for alternative lenses shooters" would be nice with a list of features, and it seems this one checks quite a few boxes in that list (lighter weight and more compact, although not rebel like, still well built, fairly compatible with alt lenses).
p.12 #16 · 20MP Canon 6D full frame DSLR announced!
dhphoto wrote:
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If Canon want to mix it with Nikon they are going to have to do something better and more innovative than this and that odd new Eos M
p.12 #17 · 20MP Canon 6D full frame DSLR announced!
skibum5 wrote:
sell the 18-135, the tamron 17-50 is awesome
i'd take the 7D over this 6D unless you mostly shoot non-distance limited, non-action, especially if often at upper mid to high iso (and in the latter case, owning but one lens, i'd look long and hard at the D600)
I've got the 35L too..... sell the 17-50 AND the 28-135 and maybe replace it with one lense?
Biggest thing I miss by using just the 35L is the wideness of my 17mm, but thats rarely needed.
p.12 #19 · 20MP Canon 6D full frame DSLR announced!
M Lucca wrote:
It's actually worse. Nikon lifted the AF system of a cropped camera and plunk it on a larger Full Frame sensor. The 39 pt AF might as well become a cluster-fcuk centre point AF system.
Your telling me that the AF of the D600 is likely to be worse than the 6D? Now that I find hard to believe.
p.12 #20 · 20MP Canon 6D full frame DSLR announced!
dhphoto wrote:
So what would you have done a couple of years ago when a clean(ish) ISO 6400 was a pipedream?
IMHO there is a big difference between *need* and *want*
Well I wouldn't have got any shot at all would I? Either that or a noisy and blurred "H" shot. There's nothing wrong with wanting ISO 6400 which translates into getting shots that you need for the client.
