p.48 #3 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
artur, yes of course, the sensor area is a little under 2x.
I shoot a 12MP APS-C camera more often than not (GXR). No doubt for some purposes the electronic crop will be perfectly viable; regardless it'd be nice to see optical converters round out this product with optical focal length diversity.
p.48 #4 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
michaelwatkins wrote:
Meanwhile, the built in electronic zoom (17MP camera via simple crop in the case of 1.4x) makes the 35mm a 49mm.
Am I wrong in believing that this will look every bit as good as a good quality 35mm stuck on a decent APS-C camera?
Perhaps another way of looking at the RX1 is that it is, at least, three cameras.
A full frame format fixed 35mm lens camera.
An APS-C format fixed 50mm (effective) lens camera.
A 4/3 format fixed 70mm (effective) lens camera.
... all thanks to having the big FF sensor.
There won't be the same pixel density for the APS-C and 4/3 crops as is available on dedicated cameras but it'll still be high enough, and with the latest in sensor tech, to do well, particularly at APS-C crop (albeit only ~10 - 11MP (thanks artur)).
p.48 #5 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
michaelwatkins wrote:
Meanwhile, the built in electronic zoom (17MP camera via simple crop in the case of 1.4x) makes the 35mm a 49mm.
Am I wrong in believing that this will look every bit as good as a good quality 35mm stuck on a decent APS-C camera?
Perhaps another way of looking at the RX1 is that it is, at least, three cameras.
A full frame format fixed 35mm lens camera.
An APS-C format fixed 50mm (effective) lens camera.
A 4/3 format fixed 70mm (effective) lens camera.
... all thanks to having the big FF sensor.
There won't be the same pixel density for the APS-C and 4/3 crops as is available on dedicated cameras but it'll still be high enough, and with the latest in sensor tech, to do well, particularly at APS-C crop (albeit only ~10 - 11MP (thanks artur)).
Cologne, GERMANY--The Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX1 may already be making waves in the photography world, but there are those who wonder if the Japanese electronics maker could (or should) release a full-frame mirrorless interchangeable lens camera (ILC). After CNET Asia had a chat with Toru Katsumoto, deputy president of Sony's digital imaging business group, the answer is a definite 'maybe'. "If we have a lot of requests from customers, we can," said Katsumoto. "But we don't have any exact plans." "If you wish, we can do that," he added. "Technically it is possible, as you can see the [NEX-]VG900 is an E-mount interchangeable lens camcorder and we can apply that to compact cameras as well."...Show more →
What I found interesting:
It seems that while consumers and photographers may think that an RX1 with interchangeable lenses would be incredibly flexible and that there would be substantial demand for such a camera, Sony's research has suggested otherwise. "From our surveys, the types of customers that want an interchangeable lens camera and a premium compact are different," Katsumoto shared.
Hiroshi Kawahara, operations manager at Fuji's product planning unit, said engineers are looking into the viability of a camera with a 35mm-size imaging sensor. ‘But, we are just focusing on the sensor and processor,' he said during a meeting with Amateur Photographer (AP) at Photokina 2012 in Cologne, Germany. ‘A product model I have no idea [about] just now.' Kawahara confirmed that the covering circle of Fuji's current X-series lenses is large enough to accommodate full frame. But he accepted that some current, wider, focal-length lenses would not be fully compatible with full-frame and that this risks alienating existing users.
Ok, which is it? Are X series lenses good to go or not? Seems... some. Maybe.
Balance of the article is interesting regarding the viewpoint of the X series designer.
p.48 #8 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
As I mentioned in another thread, it sounds VERY preliminarily. I highly doubt that, even if some of the X lenses technically cover a FF image circle, that they'd perform very well at the periphery, and Fuji would have planned for such a thing.
p.48 #9 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
douglasf13 wrote:
As I mentioned in another thread, it sounds VERY preliminarily. I highly doubt that, even if some of the X lenses technically cover a FF image circle, that they'd perform very well at the periphery, and Fuji would have planned for such a thing.
Definitely. Even the tone of the article is like yes we are interested, but that looks like a very difficult task, so we might not do it after all
p.48 #10 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
edwardkaraa wrote:
Definitely. Even the tone of the article is like yes we are interested, but that looks like a very difficult task, so we might not do it after all
p.48 #11 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
At Photokina, a 7 minute video interview of the Sony marketing manager for Cyber-shot, discussing the RX1
Why is there no electronic viewfinder
- Concept was smallest size we could do with 35mm full frame format
- EVFs gaining acceptance but some customers like OVF, so there's a choice. (he is a marketing guy after all)
Why not have the lens in an ILC system
- small size, best picture quality design objectives demanded fixed lens type of camera
Can we expect a RX1 type camera with a different lens in the future
- (Face brightens some... We are getting lots of attention, want to hear opinions from customers (read: sales))
Didn't learn anything particularly but the size of the camera and lens looks appealing so thought I'd link it.
Clear from video that interviewer is not allowed to ask certain questions... there seems to be a sign to the right of them he refers to.
p.48 #14 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
Man, that picture really makes it look like the RX1 has a tiltable LCD. Are we positive it doesn't?
Probably not. The product brochure makes no mention of tilt.
p.48 #15 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
Wasn't aware until now - the Sony RX1 is "Made In Japan", as are all the accessories. At least the pre-production versions are labelled as such. Is this, to the Japanese, as good as or better a statement than Hassel-bling?
Possibly of more importance to folks around here, the tripod mount is in line with the lens.
p.48 #18 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
'small size, best picture quality design objectives demanded fixed lens type of camera' - tolerances can be much more exact, and matching of all components will deliver great IQ. I used fixed lens cameras for many years and was always amazed at the results. And, though not given to such sentiment, it is a great looking camera. IQ may, no, should be awesome. And it is the right time, given sensor tech at present.
Not many users have ever experienced a leaf shutter. Hexar AF (also 35/2) and Fuji MF 645s users will know what that means - near silent, smooth, unobtrusive operation - they are a thing of joy to handhold. Seems to be good value for money, and more image quality than most will ever need. 35mm is a great FL for a fixed lens cam - enviro portraits, landscapes, a great balance of DOF and shaping.
Too bad about the bolt on VFs but if it is good enough for Leica's new cam, to enable super pricey R lenses to be used handheld, it's good enough here. The lens quality and lens-sensor compatibility is key to this one, lets hope it is not good but great. 49mm filters, Hexar was 46mm.
What will the price settle to after 6 months, $2200?...it will be very hard to resist, as THE small camera of choice to go with a DSLR. What would deliver significantly better IQ? Looking at the array of accessories, Sony seem to know what they have got here, I am glad they had the stones to do it. Perhaps an 85mm version later?
p.48 #19 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
philip_pj wrote:
Perhaps an 85mm version later?
So you'll spend another ~$3K for that as well? Might as well just get the new M and a couple CV or ZM lenses, or $100 MD/FD/OM/K legacy lenses...
I can see the appeal based on the size and what should be a really good lens... but at this price point, it's a lot of money to be locked into a fixed configuration. Basically this camera duplicates film P&Ss that used to sell for ~$300, such as the Oly Stylus Epic, or Pentax Espio Mini (granted, those were f/2.8 lenses). Perhaps the Konica Hexar AF is a closer comparison... sure can buy a lot of film and scanning services for the difference in price.
p.48 #20 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
Somehow the Sony comment that "From our surveys, the types of customers that want an interchangeable lens camera and a premium compact are different," Katsumoto shared." resonates with me. The moment you have multiple lenses, say 3, the advantage of a small camera body becomes significantly less. This is obviously a niche camera, but that niche already existed in film days, compact body with great glass...
