p.42 #1 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
Sure is. Good thing I don't shoot fashion. Even picket fences kilometers away bring a nice colourful interjection into any frame.
Different thought altogether... this is a camera from Sony's Cyber-shot line, a product line that is all fixed lens cameras.
Should that imply that there simply won't be an interchangeable lens version down the road? Maybe this is a technology stunt after all, a one off destined to be a cult camera.
Or maybe there'll be a duel between the NEX and Cyber-shot teams with the spoils left to the victor. Probably the RX1 wins on gross profit margin alone.
p.42 #3 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
briantho wrote:
Two showstoppers for me.
Off-topic:
That word is used way too often to convey the opposite of what it actually means.
Showstopper:
1. A performance or performer that evokes so much applause from the audience that the show is temporarily interrupted.
2. A particularly arresting person or thing, especially one that draws attention away from others or brings a course of action to a halt. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/showstopper
The word "deal breaker" is probably more appropriate in your sentence.
p.42 #6 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
AhamB wrote:
Off-topic:
That word is used way too often to convey the opposite of what it actually means.
Showstopper:
1. A performance or performer that evokes so much applause from the audience that the show is temporarily interrupted.
2. A particularly arresting person or thing, especially one that draws attention away from others or brings a course of action to a halt. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/showstopper
The word "deal breaker" is probably more appropriate in your sentence.
The vernacular of the word is actually used quite differently in everyday language, at least in the U.S. and is indeed the opposite of the "literary/ theatrical" use. In this context, the lack of RX1 features could be considered "bugs" and the word would be perfectly acceptable. Anyway, the different usage is interesting.
"a bug that makes hardware or software unusable. For example, crashing on startup. "Showstopper" bugs certainly must be fixed before a product can be released, and often need to be fixed before development can proceed.
p.42 #8 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
kosmoskatten wrote:
Well, you have to admit that it is not exactly raising the bar, no matter how you look at it. Going from an expensive crop camera, very slow user interface, a sensor that does not work well with their own lenses forcing them to produce expensive and proprietary color correction filters as a mere stop gap solution. I don't think raising a bar that is lying on the ground, halfway buried is a serious improvement.
What I am saying is that obsolete is obsolete, even when you dress it up in a nice package.
I do think the M10 will be a lot better - it simply has to be. ...Show more →
p.42 #9 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
AhamB wrote:
Off-topic:
That word is used way too often to convey the opposite of what it actually means.
Showstopper:
1. A performance or performer that evokes so much applause from the audience that the show is temporarily interrupted.
2. A particularly arresting person or thing, especially one that draws attention away from others or brings a course of action to a halt. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/showstopper
The word "deal breaker" is probably more appropriate in your sentence.
p.42 #12 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
ricardovaste wrote:
How much does the price have to fall by for people to consider this a "DEFINITE" rather than a "Hmmm, maybe... I think I'll wait..." ??
20%? 30%?
If the performance of the sensor/ lens is amazing, including corner to corner at infinity, I don't think it has to fall at all. Otherwise, 30% at least.
p.42 #14 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
The Zeiss ZM 35/2, also a full frame lens, is a hunk of metal and glass weighing 224g, a little less than half the RX1's 482 grams.
If I were to buy a RX1 myself I'd want to see the lens being solidly built as well as the body itself. A fixed lens go everywhere camera is going to get lots of use and maybe a little abuse from time to time.
The weights suggest the unit as a whole just might be appropriately robust.
p.42 #15 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
OK! just a thought, I see the picture of camera break down, and lens well into the body, if it has to be that way, can't we just make it interchangeable system that every lens design that way and still be able to change lens. At least, if the mount and sensor size survive, the lens still can be used for next generation body come in.
Or, just design a E mount with FF sensor body and let Sigma, Zeiss, Voigtland to deal with design to work with the camera. (In this sense, the FF camera will definitely coming.)
But I think there might be never a market demand for this EVIL FF. Lens will be big(or bigger) and expensive to build. In this forum, it looks like there is, but is there?
Most of users here is try to find a manufacture supply a platform for them to use their Manual lens. But why the h* will big player care people hanging around in this forum?
p.42 #16 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
Is size an issue for the RX1?
Not by any objective measure, as it is smaller than a Fujifilm X Pro 1, smaller than a Fujifilm XE, smaller than a M9 with lens mounted, and unlike the Fujifilm... the RX1 is a full frame camera.
Is the RX1 lens too big? Certainly not.
Would an interchangeable 35/2 lens for a hypothetical interchangeable RX family camera be too big? Probably not, given Sony has obviously declared war on size, in both the NEX family and RX. Yet the RX family might have an advantage over NEX if the back focal length has been decreased even further, or if the lens is recessed further by way of a new mount.
Who knows, but to me it seems logical to assume that any future interchangeable lens compact full frame compact camera from Sony will be small by anyone's standards, based on what they've done with the RX1.
Is there a market for high IQ high end full frame compacts at commensurate pricing?
None of us can say for sure but this forum and others are populated by folks who spend more on a Leica system, often because of the compact nature as much as any other reason. In addition there seem to be plenty of photographers out there who desire a full frame camera system, but hold off buying into a DSLR system due to size and weight.
With the Sony RX1 development the era of full frame compact cameras for a broader audience has almost arrived and we are close enough that I find it worth thinking about more than in the past. Thanks Sony!
p.42 #17 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
zhangyue wrote:
OK! just a thought, I see the picture of camera break down, and lens well into the body, if it has to be that way, can't we just make it interchangeable system that every lens design that way and still be able to change lens. At least, if the mount and sensor size survive, the lens still can be used for next generation body come in.
Or, just design a E mount with FF sensor body and let Sigma, Zeiss, Voigtland to deal with design to work with the camera. (In this sense, the FF camera will definitely coming.)
But I think there might be never a market demand for this EVIL FF. Lens will be big(or bigger) and expensive to build. In this forum, it looks like there is, but is there?
Most of users here is try to find a manufacture supply a platform for them to use their Manual lens. But why the h* will big player care people hanging around in this forum?...Show more →
An interchangeable lens with a rear element that large and deep wouldn't even fit through the e-mount. That's part of the problem. These two links explain why, due to the e-mount size and registration, a fullframe and ILC version would require lenses near the size of SLR lenses with adapters.
p.42 #18 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
douglasf13 wrote:
Fixed lens cameras have a huge design advantage, in terms of size, over interchangeable lens cameras.
Yep. All you have to do is look at the size difference between the Fujifilm X100 and X Pro 1. Especially when Fuij gets around to releasing the 23mm lens. They are not the same size with all the advantage going to the X100.
p.42 #19 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
Maybe it is the size advantage that caused Sony to have the RX1 developed by the Cyber-shot side of the house rather than the Alpha side. Cyber-shot cameras are all fixed lens cameras. Probably one or more siblings will also be fixed lens cameras.
So what will they do for an encore? Fixed lens zoom? Or another prime, and if so, what focal length? 50mm? A short tele?
p.42 #20 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
IF the image quality is there with the RX1 -competitive or superior to whatever Leica comes out with - Leica may find they have a hard time selling $3000+ lenses to all except the most diehard users when you can get the lens+camera for cheaper from Sony. Yes, I know it's not the same but I do think it could steal some sales.
We all go on about wanting interchangeable lenses but if those lenses cost close to the same or more then the "package" RX FF deal, what's really the difference in the end! You would actually end up with a lot of backups (at different FL of course but that's still better than one body that goes down with a bag full of expensive lenses!). I could actually see a system of fixed lens, FF RX's making a lot of sense in some ways (and even having a few benefits). Sort of like the benefits of monolight heads vs Powerpacks + heads.
