p.36 #1 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
sebboh wrote:
i have to say i'm always amused by how quickly some people on this forum seem to burn through cameras and change systems every three months. i can understand it with mirrorless cameras though (but not dslrs) as they are just maturing and for many people the potential is there but just isn't quite realized yet.
I think that is only true on the alt forum. For regular users, there is a strong brand loyalty as you can see it on other forums. But here, most members are looking for systems to adapt their alt glass, and there is no perfect system for that, and the situation keeps on changing.
Take me for example, I like to use Zeiss glass because of its characteristics. I started by adapting my Contax glass to Canon DSLR, and done that for 5 years. Then the Sony A900 came with AF Zeiss glass, so I thought I found the holy grail. However after I found out Sony had no plans to introduce a full line of Zeiss glass, and even was planning to remove the mirror from the cameras, I quit after 3 years. Now I switched to ZM glass on film RF cameras and GXR. If a FF mirrorless comes out I will surely buy it, no matter the brand, and will surely dump it if a better body that better suits my lenses comes out.
p.36 #3 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
More mp give a commercial photo editor more room to crop. The probability to sell an image is therefore higher.
I wish Sigma would do more with its great Foveon sensors instead of putting them into lousy camera bodies.
Imagine a 24x36mm Foveon X3 sensor in a camera like this one, or a Nex 7 like body.
Even the DX version of the Merrill seems great, under normal light conditions. http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/sigma_dp2m_review.shtml
The whole bayer sensor development seems to stick to more mp, dynamic range and ISO.
millsart wrote:
Agree fully, however the big question is, what is even better IQ going to do for us ?
I live in a normal sized home with normal sized rooms, and those rooms have walls that can accommodate prints of a certain size, which for the most part, current gear easily meets if not exceeds.
Realistically, even if the latest CaNikOny XZY88 has 100 megapixels etc, what am I going to do with that type of output ?
What is more IQ going to do for the same boring photos I take of the same boring sites along my typical evening walks ?
I know of course technology keeps moving forward, but, there also comes that point where you have to wonder if it really makes a difference anymore.
For 99% of PC users for example, there is no real advantage to newer PC's. Any machine in the past 5 years can easily do all the web surfing, video's etc most people need, save for a small handful with insanely high MP cameras
I'm not anti tech or anything like but, but simply have to wonder, is a ISO 1 million 200 megapixel image of a cat, or or kid etc really making the photo any better ? ...Show more →
p.36 #8 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
Makten wrote:
Me. I don't get the not getting it. What other FF camera could I get with a 35/2 for the same price? And won't it be at least twice the size and weight?
Just go on whining. I'll buy one.
You have utterly humiliated yourself by accusing me of "whining". Please come up with an original thought and not just go along with the photo forum thread meme of he month. I have no idea who you are but your response to my post is profoundly embarrassing to your integrity.
p.36 #9 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
sebboh wrote:
i have to say i'm always amused by how quickly some people on this forum seem to burn through cameras and change systems every three months. i can understand it with mirrorless cameras though (but not dslrs) as they are just maturing and for many people the potential is there but just isn't quite realized yet.
i can certainly picture myself getting this and keeping it as my main camera for 5+ years assuming i'm comfortable with the ergonomics and lens. i'm not convinced modern electronic cameras (including leicas) can be relied upon to last much longer than 5 years. the shutter on my last camera wore out after a little less than two years (it certainly wasn't as high end though). 5 years ago i would look at my images and say there were things that things that i really was unhappy about with in the image quality and wanted to upgrade because of. for the past two years i haven't really had any strong desire for an improvement in image quality and don't really foresee that changing. if i get the itch to upgrade, it's because of size or ergonomic considerations....Show more →
All this is true. 100%.
But this is a hobby, a way to spend my free time and have my mind focused on something else than my work.
I love it, I love traveling and I love taking photos when I travel.
I also love learning/reading/talking about new cameras. I enjoy the progress and I enjoy the new toys.
Nothing wrong about that.
I think this new little Sony is a great toy and will keep my excitement level up until someone (probably Sony)
releases a FF camera for my M glass which would be good enough for me to replace my 5N.
Like you I feel no need to improve my IQ right now, 5N + great lenses give me all I need.
But I like new toys too and please be honest - don't you?
p.36 #10 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
Tom K. wrote:
You have utterly humiliated yourself by accusing me of "whining". Please come up with an original thought and not just go along with the photo forum thread meme of he month. I have no idea who you are but your response to my post is profoundly embarrassing to your integrity.
p.36 #11 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
edwardkaraa wrote:
Accepted
That's a bad bet. Even if the camera tanks, in five years, the new crop of hipsters will be using them as ironic alternatives to the overwhelmingly popular Pentax Q.
p.36 #13 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
I dunno... IF this fits someone's needs perfectly then they'll easily use it for 5+ years. I've noted my a900's life as useable for another 2 years. That'll make it 6 years old then...I imagine it'll still work fine :-)
p.36 #15 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
Tom K. wrote:
You have utterly humiliated yourself by accusing me of "whining". Please come up with an original thought and not just go along with the photo forum thread meme of he month. I have no idea who you are but your response to my post is profoundly embarrassing to your integrity.
Accusing? What was it if not whining? I have no idea of who you are and I don't care, but you seem to lack any trace of integrity.
p.36 #16 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
For the guys who're stoked I'm really happy for you. It is definitely a step in the right direction.
However it just seems like a step in the evolution has been missed by Sony. The FF P&S has come before the FF interchangeable! Would have expected the other way around. Trying not to whine, but like others, would have been blown away to see the first FF interchangeable mirrorless. This would have taken the industry by storm. Imagine if they partnered with Zeiss to create contax g like system! I can only dream.
This aside, I'm looking forward to seeing what this baby can do!
p.36 #17 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
SKumar25 wrote:
Imagine if they partnered with Zeiss to create contax g like system!
I suspect that the sensor technology still isn't there yet to take care of the acute ray angles with lenses that have the exit pupil so close to the sensor. This new Sony sensor seems to be an ordinary CMOS with a slightly updated AA filter perhaps, but no ground-breaking new organic sensor technology that eliminates problems like color shift/astigmatism and color moiré. I'm afraid it will take at least half a decade before we see something like that.
So in the case of the RX1 the lens needed to be specially designed to keep the body so ridiculously compact (and then Sony managed to squeeze all the electronics in that tiny package as well).
p.36 #18 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
The cameras you need are N+1
N = the cameras you own
I just got my bonus from work but I dont think this baby is for me. Probably not an issue for most but the lens makes it too big for the pockets I slide my x100 into and I dont really do bags anymore. Or if I take a bag I'll make it count with a camera that changes lenses. Fuji got my back on both counts.
p.36 #19 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
SKumar25 wrote:
The FF P&S has come before the FF interchangeable! Would have expected the other way around. Trying not to whine, but like others, would have been blown away to see the first FF interchangeable mirrorless.
Quite possibly Sony is taking the same route Fujifilm travelled with the X100 and X Pro 1, meaning an interchangeable lens system camera to follow.
It does make sense to start out this way - developing a new series of lenses will take time - so pick a focal length and configuration interesting enough to bring early adopters on board and start to generate buzz. It seems like the new sensor in the RX1 and A99 is going to do that.
I expect to see more full frame cameras from Sony in the RX line-up.
p.36 #20 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
AhamB wrote:
I suspect that the sensor technology still isn't there yet to take care of the acute ray angles with lenses that have the exit pupil so close to the sensor. This new Sony sensor seems to be an ordinary CMOS with a slightly updated AA filter perhaps, but no ground-breaking new organic sensor technology that eliminates problems like color shift/astigmatism and color moiré. I'm afraid it will take at least half a decade before we see something like that.
So in the case of the RX1 the lens needed to be specially designed to keep the body so ridiculously compact (and then Sony managed to squeeze all the electronics in that tiny package as well)....Show more →
I can only dream. 