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Archive 2012 · Photo Ninja - experiences/feedback?

  
 
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p.1 #1 · Photo Ninja - experiences/feedback?


Looks like Picturecode have decided to move up from just supplying the Noise Ninja standalone/plugin, to selling a whole RAW converter (Photo Ninja).

As people use either the trial download or even go for the paid version, it would be really great to gather some feedback here. There's some gushing praise from a couple of beta testers on a number of forums, especially with Nikon gear. I'd like to see more use cases.

One thing that seems to be missing is the fuller suite of corrections like chromatic aberration, and as a pure RAW converter it doesn't seem to aspire to help you manage your photos (à la ASP, for instance).



Sep 06, 2012 at 07:05 AM
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p.1 #2 · Photo Ninja - experiences/feedback?


Thanks for the heads up. I'm going to download it and give it a try. But after using the latest version of ACR -- and especially the new highlight/shadows correction -- I think any competing raw processor has its work cut out for it.

John



Sep 06, 2012 at 11:46 AM
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p.1 #3 · Photo Ninja - experiences/feedback?


Played with it for a few minutes, seems all right. Highlight recovery is good. Better than acr 7/lr4 or raw therapee? Maybe, maybe not--good, though. Demosaicing algorithm does seem good. Better than lr4/acr7? Yeah, I'd say so. Better than amaze in raw therapee? I'm thinkin no (maybe it's better on camera without an AA filter but I don't have one of those). Noise reduction is not up to acr7/lr4 standards, topaz denoise, newer nikon jpeg, new DPP with 5d3 files, new beta unstable raw therapee NR.. Course, I just used it for a few minutes and didn't make a profile or anything, just used the built in one and the analyze image options, respectively. Seemed real destructive to detail. I couldn't make an iso 12.8k d800 image look nearly as good as camera jpeg or acr7, either.

Has some neat lighting and detail (think clarity slider) stuff. Works good, no halos. Downside is no local adjustments.

I think it might be a useful product in some cases, once it is supported as a photoshop plugin so that one can use smart objects and layers to get around the no local adjustments issue. Is it worth the money though? I don't know. If it was $39, maybe. But for $129, I'm not so sure.

I think that any other software at this point has two big hurdles:
1. Lightroom 4 is cheap, photoshop cs6 is cheap if you are a student or your significant other is a student, whatever. It does a good job, maybe the demosaicing isn't the best but in most cases it works great, the NR works amazingly well, local adjustments are easy to use, highlight recovery is great now, etc. It's easy to use, makes quick work of most images, is affordable now, etc. Sometimes you might want to sharpen in photoshop instead to get around the gritty look that can come with masking, but meh. It delivers good results easily in almost all cases.

2. If one wants the best technical demosaicing on a base ISO image...well, raw therapee is free. Amaze is unbeatable, it's just slow. God bless Emil. The auto CA reduction works great, and it'll also read the correction profile files from acr or lightroom now if desired. It's floating point, has great highlight recovery, etc--it just takes work and computer smarts. Plus, the new noise reduction, while very very slow, is tops for iso 100 through about 3200 files--it just isn't stable yet. And, once again, it's free.

Those two programs cover both angles. So any other software has an uphill battle and must offer something *really* special. DXO might fit the bill, we'll see how their new version is. DLO in DPP might fit the bill. This Photo Ninja software looks good, but I'm not sure it has enough real special sauce to make it a hit. I wish them well, though, I hope it is a success.



Sep 15, 2012 at 04:17 PM
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p.1 #4 · Photo Ninja - experiences/feedback?


I've used Noise Ninja for some time and have harassed PictureCode because the PS plugin was not 64 bit. I was told quoting, "Creating the 64 bit version has required us to make significant changes to the program's code base. We will be releasing x64 as soon as we make sure it works well."

I got a notice from PC that the upgrade was available and without investigating much dropped the $97 for an upgrade. I was stunned to find that no this was not a 64 bit PS plug in. I was an entirely new RAW converter. I already have 4 such converters (DPP, ACR, DXO, and Apple camera RAW). I was amazed that they would enter such a densely populated field, particularly because it commits them to the continuous upgrade cycle necessary to support new cameras.

I've run it a few times and compared results to Apple's and Adobe's and frankly don't see anything outstanding or compelling in the results. Yes there is a new version of NN embedded in the program, but I never apply noise suppression during RAW conversion. I can't imagine that anyone does.

So far I'm sticking with Aperture for the 90% of the work that passes thru fast to meet deadlines and ACR for more demanding stuff.

A real disappointment to me though others may find their renditions attractive. YMMV and all that.

Robert



Sep 30, 2012 at 02:40 PM
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p.1 #5 · Photo Ninja - experiences/feedback?


I bought it after seeing mention on Rob Galbraith's site in his D4 overview. With either my D4 or D800E this program absolutely knocks it out of the park before I even touch an adjustment. I love it! Compared to Aperture or LR4 Photo Ninja wins. Yes, it is missing several of the features of Aperture or LR for sure, but for beautiful fast RAW conversion you need not mess with, this is it. My Canon files unfortunately, are not so good in Photo Ninja. In fact if I saw my canon files in Photo Ninja before my Nikon files, I probably would have deleted the program immediately. So, definitely download the trial and see if it is for you, before you rush to purchase.


Oct 06, 2012 at 06:06 PM
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p.1 #6 · Photo Ninja - experiences/feedback?


I have been happy with the raw conversions of Sony arw and Fuji RAF files. I have not tested it yet with Pentax DNG or PEF. Some say it is primarily geared toward Nikon.


Jul 26, 2013 at 09:57 AM





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