p.1 #1 · can a venue site legally block you from shooting?
About six weeks ago, I was trying to get into a wedding show put together by a wedding event location site. The guy putting this together didn't respond to my phone calls, and didn't initially respond via email. I asked a few questions and expressed an interest in doing the show, never heard back from him so I blew it off.
Today, he sends me an email saying I owe him for the show. I reminded him that I didn't participate in the show because he never confirmed that I was in, and didn't answer my questions. He wrote back saying he left me a voicemail on a certain day at a certain time, which he didn't, and I have the records of that. I told him I'd be glad to produce my phone records if he didn't believe.
So he responded by saying fine, but don't ever do an event at his location.
I don't even get this. This was his fault, not mine. I wanted to do the event, but he wouldn't follow up with me for anything. I finally gave up. Am I supposed to let him bully me into paying the fee? It's actually possible for me to do an event at his location, I just don't know the likelihood. So my question is can he as the owner legally stop me from doing an event? I know that's a legal question but curious if any of you ever had a situation like this.
p.1 #2 · can a venue site legally block you from shooting?
ridiculous. What a wanker. Definitely do not pay him for it...and I would like to see him tell one of their brides a few weeks before the wedding that you are not allowed to shoot there. If anything, I would get in touch with the manager/owner of the venue. Otherwise, I would ignore it.
p.1 #3 · can a venue site legally block you from shooting?
Legally, it is his property, is it not? Of course he can refuse you access to private property.
Sep 05, 2012 at 05:23 PM
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p.1 #4 · can a venue site legally block you from shooting?
If he owns the property he sure can. i've seen some vendors banned from certain venues and theres nothing they can do.
in your case, it sucks....how can he request payment if you dont have a signed agreement.....
Sep 05, 2012 at 05:52 PM
marti.g3 Offline • • • • [X]
p.1 #5 · can a venue site legally block you from shooting?
joelconner wrote:
ridiculous. What a wanker. Definitely do not pay him for it...and I would like to see him tell one of their brides a few weeks before the wedding that you are not allowed to shoot there. If anything, I would get in touch with the manager/owner of the venue. Otherwise, I would ignore it.
p.1 #6 · can a venue site legally block you from shooting?
Private property? He can do what he likes.
Regardless, I'd ignore the douche bag. What's he going to do? Tell his client they cannot use you? Do you know how much business he'll lose doing that?
p.1 #7 · can a venue site legally block you from shooting?
TTLKurtis wrote:
Legally, it is his property, is it not? Of course he can refuse you access to private property.
I was afraid you guys were going to say that. Well, it's not a high-end location and I've never actually shot there yet, so not really concerned that it will ever happen. Just curious if he could just do that. Seems like a form of prejudice.
p.1 #8 · can a venue site legally block you from shooting?
joelconner wrote:
ridiculous. What a wanker. Definitely do not pay him for it...and I would like to see him tell one of their brides a few weeks before the wedding that you are not allowed to shoot there. If anything, I would get in touch with the manager/owner of the venue. Otherwise, I would ignore it.
Yeah, there's no way I'm going to pay him. But he is the owner...
p.1 #9 · can a venue site legally block you from shooting?
marti.g3 wrote:
If he owns the property he sure can. i've seen some vendors banned from certain venues and theres nothing they can do.
in your case, it sucks....how can he request payment if you dont have a signed agreement.....
The request for payment came completely out of the blue. I can only imagine how disorganized this guy is, thinking that we had an agreement for my participation when it was he who dropped the ball.
p.1 #11 · can a venue site legally block you from shooting?
friscoron wrote:
About six weeks ago, I was trying to get into a wedding show put together by a wedding event location site. The guy putting this together didn't respond to my phone calls, and didn't initially respond via email. I asked a few questions and expressed an interest in doing the show, never heard back from him so I blew it off.
Today, he sends me an email saying I owe him for the show. I reminded him that I didn't participate in the show because he never confirmed that I was in, and didn't answer my questions. He wrote back saying he left me a voicemail on a certain day at a certain time, which he didn't, and I have the records of that. I told him I'd be glad to produce my phone records if he didn't believe.
So he responded by saying fine, but don't ever do an event at his location.
I don't even get this. This was his fault, not mine. I wanted to do the event, but he wouldn't follow up with me for anything. I finally gave up. Am I supposed to let him bully me into paying the fee? It's actually possible for me to do an event at his location, I just don't know the likelihood. So my question is can he as the owner legally stop me from doing an event? I know that's a legal question but curious if any of you ever had a situation like this.
The best way to counter that is to ask him to produce a signed agreement you were coming to the show or any physical evidence you were at the show. If he can't produce a sign agreement that you committed to attending or any evidence that you were there, hopefully that will be enough to open his eyes to thinking "well, maybe we didn't work out all the details..." You're only "trap" here would be if all of the attendees were working solely off verbal contracts. But that is a very volatile method of conducting business nowadays. He does not have as rock-solid of a background to collect fees afterwards (and if he is asking you for payment after the fact then he really has to have evidence you showed up to the event to have any chance of getting any money).
But yeah, as others have said, he can "ban" you from performing work or even entering his venue. Your best bet is to politely show him that he might have been a bit scatter-brained and that you two never fully worked out your participation before the show. Hopefully turning on that "light bulb" will at least get him to lighten up on allowing you to work there.
p.1 #13 · can a venue site legally block you from shooting?
friscoron wrote:
I was afraid you guys were going to say that. Well, it's not a high-end location and I've never actually shot there yet, so not really concerned that it will ever happen. Just curious if he could just do that. Seems like a form of prejudice.
Prejudice How?
This guy isn't prejudiced, just a scatterbrain at best or jackass at worst. Imagine how awful it wold be working in his venue.
p.1 #14 · can a venue site legally block you from shooting?
Sounds like the guy's show wasn't profitable and he's attempting to steam roll you with b.s. He knows very well no agreement was reached with you. He knows very well he never got back to you. That leaves trying to muscle you for some money he knows he didn't earn. Either that or he's trying to push you away for whatever reason.
Which also shows you how he deals in business. Not the sort of conduct or ethics you'd want to regularly work with.
Which may validate my theory that his show didn't turn out too well.
p.1 #15 · can a venue site legally block you from shooting?
TheGE wrote:
Sounds like the guy's show wasn't profitable and he's attempting to steam roll you with b.s. He knows very well no agreement was reached with you. He knows very well he never got back to you. That leaves trying to muscle you for some money he knows he didn't earn. Either that or he's trying to push you away for whatever reason.
Which also shows you how he deals in business. Not the sort of conduct or ethics you'd want to regularly work with.
Which may validate my theory that his show didn't turn out too well.
I prefer applying Hanlon's Razor to situations like this "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." Which in this case is great because you should be able to show up and shoot at teh venue and this guy will probably have no idea who you are.
p.1 #17 · can a venue site legally block you from shooting?
He sounds like an idiot. He'll probably forget in 6 months and you'll be fine. People like that seem to get mad at so many people that they forget after a while.
p.1 #18 · can a venue site legally block you from shooting?
Tony Hoffer wrote:
He sounds like an idiot. He'll probably forget in 6 months and you'll be fine. People like that seem to get mad at so many people that they forget after a while.
That's what I'm figuring. I met him once, but there's no way either of us could pick out the other in a police lineup. A guy like this might be meticulously organized about keeping a black list, tho.
But I'm not worried about it. He seems to have let go of his effort to collect payment. I think my reminding him that there are records of my incoming phone calls and voicemails, and maybe that's when he realized he didn't have a leg to stand on.
p.1 #19 · can a venue site legally block you from shooting?
I don't get this. Unless it's specifically addressed in his contract with the bride, I don't see where this twerp would have any standing to refuse entry to you or anyone else that meets their standards (e.g. shoes & shirt). He might be on firmer ground if the contract was with you, but 10 to 1 says that the 'tog's name isn't mentioned anywhere in his contract with the bride. Besides, at the time you sign your contract with the bride, it's possible that the venue won't be nailed down, or it could change before the wedding. What then?
He may be a tough guy on the phone, but he'd be hard pressed to get between you and a very sweet mom whose nails would definitely come out. Probably best to ignore him unless he provides something in writing.
p.1 #20 · can a venue site legally block you from shooting?
Most of the time the hall doesn't know who the photographer is (won't ask) until the day of the wedding and you are there with the couple, and what's he going to do then? Kick you out and tell the bride and groom too bad? Unlikely! Not to mention in the evening it's usually not the owner attending but a manager of the evening. You should be fine...
How?