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Curtiss Bryant
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A friend of mine and I were talking this morning about business stuff and he mentioned that he is in the process of filing a trademark for his business name. He explained that he feels he has a unique name and wants to protect it from others using it as well.

I never thought about doing a trademark on the business name since we are small scale businesses, but I can see where it makes sense to protect any future expansion and to protect the name.

So has anyone here filed a trademark on their business name?



Sep 05, 2012 at 11:51 AM
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Yes, trademark it if you're going to use a fictitious name. You don't want to have a brand and have someone else trademark that name, having you to change your entire brand.

Your friend is write.

I've filed a trademark for a diff business name. It's not easy and it's not hard either. You just have to know what you're doing. Or else pay $$$ to hire a lawyer. Totally up to you. I was able to file it on my own. It was $275 if I remember correctly.



Sep 05, 2012 at 11:57 AM
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BTW, looking on your website "Curtiss Bryant Photography" would not need a trademark because it's your legal name (if I'm correct?). Only need it when you're using a fictitious name.


Sep 05, 2012 at 11:59 AM
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A trademark is only worth the money you put into defending it. If you cannot or will not pay the legal fees to defend any infringement on it you can lose it. Trademarks must be actively defended in order to remain valid.


Sep 05, 2012 at 12:07 PM
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^^ precisely


Sep 05, 2012 at 12:11 PM
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Yeah its my legal name and as such I didnt think you could trademark it anyway. His name is Charles Brown and he is wanting to trademark Charlie Brown Photography (he has just filed for the fictitious name). I told him I would do a completely different name altogether, since I wouldnt want people to associate the comic strip with my business, but he wants to use it anyway.

He wants to make it so no one else can use those words in conjunction with one another and block the use of the website domains and what not. I told him to talk to an attorney and go from there but it did spark a conversation about it and I figured I would ask if anyone here as done it.



Sep 05, 2012 at 12:13 PM
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I didn't know there were so many patent/trademark attorneys here moonlighting as wedding photographers.


Sep 05, 2012 at 12:17 PM
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You didn't know? FM wedding photographers sleep in a Holiday Inn Express EVERY night.


Sep 05, 2012 at 12:28 PM
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Inku Yo wrote:
I didn't know there were so many patent/trademark attorneys here moonlighting as wedding photographers.


Or accountants for that matter .. I was mainly curious to see if anyone here has filed for a trademark and since we (and others) shoot weddings I figured it might be relevant.



Sep 05, 2012 at 12:39 PM
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Inku Yo wrote:
I didn't know there were so many patent/trademark attorneys here moonlighting as wedding photographers.


I took business law in college, and one of the things we covered was (briefly) patent law. It is very much true that if you do not proactively defend against infringements that you can lose your trademark. That's why the company MONSTER CABLE goes after tons of companies for infringement.



Sep 05, 2012 at 12:43 PM
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Curtiss Bryant wrote:
Or accountants for that matter .. I was mainly curious to see if anyone here has filed for a trademark and since we (and others) shoot weddings I figured it might be relevant.


Oh, I think it's a valid question, no doubt. I just find it funny when people spout legal (or financial) advice as if they're some sort of expert on the matter.



Sep 05, 2012 at 12:45 PM
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TTLKurtis wrote:
I took business law in college, and one of the things we covered was (briefly) patent law. It is very much true that if you do not proactively defend against infringements that you can lose your trademark. That's why the company MONSTER CABLE goes after tons of companies for infringement.


Haha... so did I, both in high school AND college. I'm just not as comfortable giving legal advice when I didn't go to law school, don't have my JD, and didn't take/pass the Bar. I may chime in, but would probably start and end it with, "I'm not an expert. I'd probably talk to an attorney." I definitely would try hard not to sound so cocksure. Oh, and I wasn't really referring to you, Kurtis.



Sep 05, 2012 at 12:51 PM
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Inku Yo wrote:
Haha... so did I, both in high school AND college. I'm just not as comfortable giving legal advice when I didn't go to law school, don't have my JD, and didn't take/pass the Bar. I may chime in, but would probably start and end it with, "I'm not an expert. I'd probably talk to an attorney." I definitely would try hard not to sound so cocksure. Oh, and I wasn't really referring to you, Kurtis.


Seeing as how I am not an attorney, I don't really have a responsibility to disclaim that I'm not representing someone and that they should seek actual counsel if they wish to seriously look into this.



Sep 05, 2012 at 01:17 PM
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Inku Yo wrote:
Haha... so did I, both in high school AND college. I'm just not as comfortable giving legal advice when I didn't go to law school, don't have my JD, and didn't take/pass the Bar. I may chime in, but would probably start and end it with, "I'm not an expert. I'd probably talk to an attorney." I definitely would try hard not to sound so cocksure. Oh, and I wasn't really referring to you, Kurtis.


So you're referring to me then.

If you're asking on a forum it's your responsibility to know that the quality of advice you'll receive is most likely not from someone specifically in that field. With law and lawyers in particular they tend to respond in very general terms because doing otherwise and you knowing they've passed the Bar opens them up to too much liability.

By asking here (or on any other forum for that matter), he's basically looking for a ballpark answer and not something that can be relied on in a legal sense. If he wants that, then the only answer is to ask an attorney specializing in trademarks. When you're looking for that ballpark answer to get some idea if it's an avenue even worth pursuing it is useful to get responses from people that have pursued that path previously.

I could have added a disclaimer, yes, but on the Internet you should read anything with some skepticism (even from "experts"). Again, it's not my responsibility to give legally sound advice. I have no problem providing anecdotal advice gained from my own experiences because that can be very helpful sometimes (e.g., product reviews and the like).

I pursued a trademark once in another field. It ended up not being worth the time or money I put into it. The three most important things I learned were that (1) the paperwork required has enough pitfalls that, without an attorney's guidance, you'll likely omit something important and get rejected; (2) you have to be able and willing to defend the trademark; and (3) it's very possible no one wants your trademark anyway.



Sep 05, 2012 at 02:13 PM
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Ryan Britton wrote:
So you're referring to me then.


Mmmm... Anyway, it's probably best to check with a patent/trademark attorney.



Sep 05, 2012 at 02:17 PM
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A trademark is any wording, symbols or designs, or other such matter, that you use to identify yourself to consumers as the source of the goods or services you provide. When people say they want to "trademark" something, usually they mean they want to "register" something that is already functioning as a trademark (or "mark").

You have common-law (i.e., state law) intellectual property rights in your trademark from the first time you use it in commerce. Your common-law rights are defined in part by the geographic region in which you use that mark. You can defend your trademark against infringement in state court, without ever registering the mark with the state or federal governments.

But in the US, you can also register your mark with the state government, and separately with the federal government. The purpose of registration is to provide effective notice to all parties within the zone of registration (i.e., one state or the entire country) that you claim ownership of that mark.

Federal registration is done in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. Registering your mark with the USPTO gives you additional rights beyond your common-law rights, such as the right to sue in federal court in your own jurisdiction if, for example, someone in another state infringes your mark. A federal registration also serves as evidence of your ownership of the mark. This is valuable because, otherwise, you would bear the burden of proving that you were first to use the mark in commerce and were the legitimate owner of that mark. Registration shifts the burden to the accused infringer to prove that your claim of ownership is invalid.

A federal registration therefore greatly aids in reducing the costs of protecting your trademark. First and foremost, it strongly enhances the threat you pose to an infringer, by placing burdens of cost (defending in a distant jurisdiction) and proof (reducing the work you have to do to prevail in court, and increasing the infringer's work).

That doesn't mean it is inexpensive to protect a mark. But it does improve the chances that an angry-lawyer-letter or two will cause an infringer to cease infringement without further action.

Registering names of people
Individuals may register their own first+last names (e.g., "Ian Ivey," or "Ian Ivey Photography"), or last names if used in conjunction with descriptive or other wording (e.g., "Ivey Photography"). You generally cannot register merely a surname by itself (e.g., "Ivey"), but adding other wording will make it registrable. (That's mainly because other people with that surname should be allowed to use it in their business names.)

You may want to register your first+last name if you use it as a trademark (with or without descriptive wording such as "Photography"), if you're concerned that someone else might begin using the same or similar first+last name.

Chris's friend's case is unusual. "Charlie Brown" is a registered trademark of Peanuts Worldwide, LLC (presumably the owner of the Peanuts cartoon strip). {EDIT: Correction -- Peanuts has filed a pending application to register that mark, and it has been published by the USPTO, meaning the examining attorney has tentatively approved it for registration, pending proof of use of the mark; this doesn't much change the rest of this comment, but I wanted to correct the error.} That registration {application} recites the following goods: "Motion picture films featuring animated cartoons; downloadable motion pictures featuring animated cartoons; downloadable music, ringtones and electronic games via the Internet and wireless devices."

The fact that the mark is already registered {filed} for motion pictures presents a problem. Photography and motion pictures are in some ways related goods. It therefore increases the odds that Chris's friend might be 1) refused registration by the USPTO because the mark is confusingly similar to a prior existing registration {still true}, and 2) infringing that registered trademark by using "Charlie Brown" in connection with a photography {slightly lower risk, but still a risk}.

If Chris's friend were my own client, I'd probably advise him not to use "Charlie Brown" with photography, to avoid the risk of receiving a lawyer-letter from Peanuts Worldwide at some point after he invested lots of time and money in promoting that mark. Alternately, if he asked me to do so, I might contact Peanuts Worldwide to arrange something called a "consent agreement" outlining his use of the mark limited to photography services prior to investing in that mark.

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Sep 06, 2012 at 12:10 PM
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One other thing about Charles Brown: he would dramatically increase his risk if he used any imagery or logo design that in some way evoked the Peanuts character. For example, if his site featured a picture of him wearing a yellow and brown zig-zag striped shirt, I would tell him to expect an infringement suit shortly.


Sep 06, 2012 at 12:19 PM





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