Will Patterson wrote:
I was using an almost brand new SanDisk 32GB extreme pro.
Probably not the card, given your earlier remarks. However, it might be worth putting it through a thorough read-write check. There is some software that assists this, writing every bit. You might be able to use the microsoft utilities. I came across one when setting up the computer I assembled. It can also be used for wiping disks.
Monito wrote:
Probably not the card, given your earlier remarks. However, it might be worth putting it through a thorough read-write check. There is some software that assists this, writing every bit. You might be able to use the microsoft utilities. I came across one when setting up the computer I assembled. It can also be used for wiping disks.
Would it be the card if I look down and the writing to card light isn't on?
Monito wrote:
Sure it's annoying when a camera locks up. I sympathise with the OP and shared some thoughts about it. But that's not what I was responding to in the post you quoted. Please read it again. Carefully.
I read your initial response, but must have mistaken your 'card issue' excuse for sympathy. Apologies.
M Vers wrote:
This is a high end professional tool designed for professionals...it should perform that way. A lot of photography is all about timing. If you can't trust a brand new flagship camera to get the shot when you press the shutter button every single time you damn well have the right to be annoyed, regardless of the tool's complexities.
Sure. Again, you have misread my response. The person I was responding to was not annoyed about that.
Read it again.
They were annoyed that Canon and Nikon would have the sheer effrontery, the gall, the arrogance to dare to release a camera that a few people have reported a flaw in their particular copies. How dare Canon and Nikon not make equipment that always performs flawlessly even though there are tens of thousands of the units out there, soon to be hundreds of thousand of them. How dare they make a camera that can't take hundreds of millions of photos (10k cameras x 10k photos) already without a few people reporting that it actually locked up a couple of times....Show more →
I don't see how you can say it's annoying to hear of other people's issues with cameras yet sympathize with the OP, who is experiencing the direct result.
ct8282 wrote:
Annoying that both of the biggest DSLR manufacturers ship their top of the line newest bodies with these types of problems.
How dare Leica, Canon, Nikon, Hasselblad, Mercedes, BMW, Boeing, Airbus, etc. do such a thing?
Exactly...pretty annoying, IMO.
M Vers wrote:
I suppose you would better understand that if you were someone who depends on his/her gear...
I suppose you would have more success if you didn't personalize threads and make personal assumptions about posters. You don't have a clue about your assertions.
Logic much?
There is a large difference between providing 'stock' images of interiors, landscapes, and mating egrets with capturing something like, for instance, a couple's kiss during a wedding or a split second intimate moment between a dying grandmother and her granddaughter on her wedding day...something that usually won't wait for you to switch cameras or fumble with removing and replacing batteries. But I suppose you just post less intensive imagery on your website, keeping all of the super split second stuff under wraps just in case a situation like this were to arise. Still wrong?
Yea, this wouldn't be as big of an issue if I did stock photography. But yesterday, like last weekend, I had set something up and was ready to take the photo when the camera locked up and I, somewhat embarrassingly, had to pull out and replace the battery before it would fire again. I'd be lying if I said I completely trust the camera at this point.
Actually, now that I think about it, it happened in the middle of the week as well when I was shooting some field sports. Hmm.
M Vers wrote:
I don't see how you can say it's annoying to hear of other people's issues with cameras yet sympathize with the OP, who is experiencing the direct result. That is FAR more annoying than people complaining about people complaining.
Again, you are misreading. Try again.
No. I am not annoyed to hear of other people's issues with cameras.
No. I did not write that I'm annoyed to hear of other people's issues with cameras.
It's fine if they post them, and great that we can try to help them, and interesting as to the analysis and informative as to what sometimes works or doesn't.
Let me spell it out for you.
People have unreasonable expectations of perfection in life. When a camera model has to work with thousands of models of lenses current and discontinued and many made by other manufacturers and dozens of accessories including flashes, ... when a camera is making hundreds of millions of photos within a couple of months of its release (conservative estimate: think of continuous shot mode at the Olympics; it is probably billions by now), ... then it is unreasonable to expect that it would work perfectly on every single shot for every photographer with every lens with every memory card in every mode with every flash.
It is unreasonable to condemn the manufacturers for daring to put their cameras out where they will be in thousands of different situations under all kinds of stress and environments and then having the cameras fail a few times in the billions of photos made. Maybe even hundreds of times.
Can anyone name a DSLR by any manufacturer that has not had some reports of some problems?
It's just the luck of the draw that sometimes a camera will fail on a shot for no apparent reason.
Stuff happens. With complex equipment that requires a 420 page manual, it is no surprise that stuff happens.
It is a tribute to the manufacturers that less stuff happens under the circumstances.
The post read " Annoying that both of the biggest DSLR manufacturers ship their top of the line newest bodies with these types of problems." There is an assumption in that statement that assumes that they shipped them knowing the situations where they would lock up and shipped them any way. It's a bogus assumption.
Now, that should clear it up some.
Again, I don't get annoyed when people post about problems they encounter. I'm not annoyed if they are annoyed at the problems. I do find it annoying when people condemn manufacturers for making runs of cameras that are not perfect all the time in every situation in every combination of equipment.
M Vers wrote:
There is a large difference between providing 'stock' images of interiors, landscapes, and mating egrets with capturing something like, for instance, a couple's kiss during a wedding procession or a split second intimate moment between a dying grandmother and her granddaughter on her wedding day...something that usually won't wait for you to switch cameras or fumble with removing and replacing batteries. But I suppose you just post less intensive imagery on your website, keeping all of the super split second stuff under wraps just in case a situation like this were to arise. Still wrong?
Still wrong in many ways.
Yes, I did make a photograph of egrets (even if you are mistaken about them mating). Stop making assumptions about that and other things you don't know about.
And you are going further down the road of personalizing references to actualities that have nothing to do with this thread. People try to shoot the piano player when they are out of cogent arguments or haven't read completely and carefully. This stuff should not be about the posters, but about the ideas. I keep trying to return it there, but get thwarted.
Just stop with the personalizing. It's not getting you anywhere.
Monito wrote:
Just stop with the personalizing. It's not getting you anywhere.
I'm "personalizing" because, based on your website and the description of the type of work you do, you're not heavily reliant on timing. The work posted there does not even come close to wedding or sports photography (not even a couple shots of people surfing) where split second timing is paramount. If I'm still wrong about this, please feel free to post some examples proving otherwise. Until then I think its a totally valid point.
snapsy wrote:
There's a thread on POTN with about 10 different users reporting error 80's on their 1DX, one of which required a PCB replacement to fix according to Canon. Here's the thread: http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1208443
Certainly, these people who are affected should not be annoyed with Canon. I mean, what do you really expect out of a brand new 6.8k body anyway?
M Vers wrote:
I'm "personalizing" because, based on your website and the description of the type of work you do, you're not heavily reliant on timing. The work posted there does not even come close to wedding or sports photography (not even a couple shots of people surfing) where split second timing is paramount. If I'm still wrong about this, please feel free to post some examples proving otherwise. Until then I think its a totally valid point.
Don't bother personalizing. However you won't stop because you are out of cogent points.
You can't discuss the ideas and concepts and issues, so you have to discuss me. You have no valid point.
You assume (and do not read evidence to the contrary) that I think that split second timing is not important to working photographers. That is incorrect.
Let me spell yet more things out for you. Split second timing is important to many working photographers. You can't find where I have contradicted that. You are setting up a straw man and attempting to demolish it.
Anyone who thinks that split second timing is not important to nature photographers after waiting a long time for alignment, position, composition and action should think again.
Monito wrote:
Don't bother personalizing. However you won't stop because you are out of cogent points.
You can't discuss the ideas and concepts and issues, so you have to discuss me. You have no valid point.
You assume (and do not read evidence to the contrary) that I think that split second timing is not important to working photographers. That is incorrect.
Let me spell yet more things out for you. Split second timing is important to many working photographers. You can't find where I have contradicted that. You are setting up a straw man and attempting to demolish it.
I'm not saying you don't think its important, I'm saying, based on your work, you cannot relate. If a camera freezes up on you you're not screwed out of the shot...you can simply stop and reset the battery or pick up another camera. For someone like the OP, and myself, this is not always an option. It is a valid point, no matter how hard you try and convince yourself that its not.
Monito wrote:
Anyone who thinks that split second timing is not important to nature photographers after waiting a long time for alignment, position, composition and action should think again.
Wowzers! One single shot of a couple of egrets...surly there was a client depending on you for that one shot, right? These egrets aren't going anywhere and there is nothing extraordinary happening where if you missed the shot you would have missed the entire experience. Try again.
M Vers wrote:
Wowzers! One single shot of a couple of egrets...surly there was a client depending on you for that one shot, right? These egrets aren't going anywhere and there is nothing extraordinary happening where if you missed the shot you would have missed the entire experience. Try again.
Will Patterson wrote:
Hmm. Well I'm in AF mode two, Only cross-type AF points, iTR on, AI Servo 2nd image priority, Expand AF area.
That's it for AF. I was using an almost brand new SanDisk 32GB extreme pro. Shutter minimum set to 1/250th.
Hi Will,
Mine was just standard setting as per new camera when I received it. I was just playing with the pancake lens. I had dual 64 SanDisk extreme pro cards it it.
Hasn't happened since. I thought I read somewhere that the pancake lens was not USM and somehow can lock up camera
Monito and MVers - can you guys just take this to PM or something? Please stop.
Perry - it sounds like, according to that POTN thread, that it is a circuit board that gets replaced as a possible remedy. But the only thing that is weird with mine is it doesn't display any error codes, it just freezes up.
Will, I would suggest that you go back to your MkII and MkIII as your primary and backup until you prove your Dx…maybe a couple thousand shots after Canon plays with it a bit…This is why you wait and see the problems that arise with most new models of anything…cars…cameras…airplanes…especially airplanes…when you need the shot you need the trust…trust is earned…
Now for the popcorn and a beer to enjoy the rest of the post…
Will Patterson wrote:
I was using an almost brand new SanDisk 32GB extreme pro.
Monito wrote:
Probably not the card, given your earlier remarks. However, it might be worth putting it through a thorough read-write check. There is some software that assists this, writing every bit. You might be able to use the microsoft utilities. I came across one when setting up the computer I assembled. It can also be used for wiping disks.
I think you can use the diskpart program from microsoft. It is a natural part of most repair disks or system install disks, but is also available in Windows 7 as installed. It can be used to write all zeros or all ones or patterns on the card.
But what is weird is it's not in the log from yesterday's lockup, just last weekend.