I sigh to myself, and think "he's right!". But then...who would have shot 135 film in the '20s?
millsart wrote:
Now days though, bigger is viewed as worse. Everyone wants to spend hundreds of dollars on little earbuds for their m4/3 players.
Guess for every old timer who see's the X100 and has memories of great cameras growing up, another person see's it and wonders who on earth would want a camera with all those silly dials and stuff
millsart wrote:
Hmm, guess some folks don't like dedicated dials for things like EC, shutter speed and aperture and prefer an EVF to an optical finder....
Figure it had to happen sooner or later. For ages photographers have been asking for things like more dedicated control, optical finders etc. Now I guess we have gotten to the point where a younger generation who never even used such style cameras now actually has no desire for those features and instead prefers things like multifunction soft keys and EVF's.
Strange how technology and taste change.
As an example, I remember growing up how the bigger stereo speakers were the better. Other kids at school would be so jealous if you got some 15" woofers for your bedroom. Now days though, bigger is viewed as worse. Everyone wants to spend hundreds of dollars on little earbuds for their m4/3 players.
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hmmm, i like dedicated dials and OVF (but only if i can focus through them), and i still prefer the nex-7 interface to the x100. i shot fully manual film cameras once upon a time too. how things work in practice matters more than how they look listed on a spec sheet. i finally actually used an x100 recently and i absolutely hated it, most frustrating camera ever (lovely files when i actually get the shot i wanted though). it's like a rangefinder but without the ability to focus.
anyway, the canon looks decent for a consumer model of the new mirrorless line up. hopefully they'll give us a lens roadmap and a high end camera soon. too bad about the mount not allowing the possibility of FF.
edit: also, anybody who wants to spend hundreds of dollars on headphones is getting much better sound than people who spend the same amount on big speakers. for the price it's much easier to design sound transducers that cover the full spectrum accurately for headphones than speakers that must cover a larger area at a wider angle while dealing with irregularities of the room. you have to spend a few grand on speakers to get up to the sound quality you'll get from a good $200 headphones (even on the low frequencies). but wearing headphones sucks, and i like to listen to music with other people so i got the big speakers to...
rscheffler wrote:
So seeing as it has a short flange distance (18mm), the question (for me) will be how nicely it plays with M mount glass... But considering it's apparently the T4i sensor and probably has non-optimized sensor toppings, I'm not optimistic about wide angle lenses.
I'd say that's the current million dollar question. For me, not with M lenses but rather the Contax G's. Will corners be better? What does the difference in cropfactor, flange distance and such mean? I dont know why you're a pessimist here, I only see hope :-)
If it handles some of the lens designs better (read: WA, protruding back elements) than e.g the NEX 5N this is surely an attractive camera.
Interface looks good, but there are so many details that wont be found out until you use it yourself. In particular I'm thinking of manual focusing, quick enlargement, brightness/sharpness of screen and possible aids such as focus peeking and such.
I wont buy this version though, simply because for some odd reason the LCD is not tiltable.
wfrank wrote:
Interface looks good, but there are so many details that wont be found out until you use it yourself. In particular I'm thinking of manual focusing, quick enlargement, brightness/sharpness of screen and possible aids such as focus peeking and such.
I wont buy this version though, simply because for some odd reason the LCD is not tiltable.
I don't think there's peaking available as manual focus aid. I do believe that manual focus due to the capacitive touchscreen will allow quick enlargement with similar zoom in and zoom out gestures similar to ones on a smartphone though this is assuming it's similar to the one on 650D/4Ti.
I totally agree with you on the tiltable LCD touchscreen. I didn't realize how useful it would be until I used one for shooting and manual focus on Sony Nex 5N.
I think EOS-M has better future than NEX if Sony keep releasing new bodies instead of more useful/better lens.
with an adapter, EOS-M could use existing EOS lens, with AF/IS.
Alpha lens does not have IS but rely on the body instead, if NEX use alpha lens, you get no IS.
NEX lens lineup... after.. 2 years(?) is still really weak. (I only have 24 1.8 and Nikon adapter..and now getting a M mount adapter ).
and the bad thing about NEX (esp NEX-7, which I currently use) is that there ain't good compact wide angle (corner issues with RF lens, DSLR lens are too big, widest good lens seems to be sigma 19mm)
Has anyone seen a street date yet?
just found the answer @CR Availability
The EOS M Digital Camera bundled with the new EF-M 22mm f/2 STM kit lens will be available in October for an estimated retail price of $799.99. Also a white version of the EOS M Digital Camera bundled with the new EF-M 22mm f/2 STM kit lens will be exclusively available through the Canon Online store, shop.usa.canon.com.
The new EF-M 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM lens, Mount Adapter EF-EOS M and Speedlite 90EX will all be available in October at an estimated retail price of $299.99, $199.99 and $149.99 respectively.
I'm happy they went with an 18mm registration, so that all the glass I've been buying could be used if I decide to get one.
Too bad they didn't give us an EVF, while I like OVF's, I haven't missed it on my NEX-7 at all, and I really like having a histogram/level/peaking in the VF, and as the tech matures, it will replace all OVF's.
A tilting LCD would have been nice, but it's not a deal breaker.
I have no doubt that Canon could have released a higher spec camera, but that's not how they do things, they test the waters first(G1X), then design an introductory product(EOS-M) that didn't blow the R&D budget just in case they read the market wrong, so... if the camera does well, expect either a minor upgrade or a "pro" version within 6 months.
Personally, I don't care much how a camera looks, and I don't care if settings are made using touch screen menus or physical dials. I don't even care which native lenses are available for the camera, as I'm a true alt shooter.
I'm glad Canon is joining the game, the more competition there is, the better for us consumers, but I'm disappointed they're not bringing anything new to the table. IBIS, FF or 1.3x crop, better DR, ISO etc. are some things they could have done to get ahead of the competition and conquer the mirrorless market.
I'm hoping the high end model of this camera will at least introduce IBIS and tilt screen. That would make me consider it. This camera will sell only because it's Canon, and at least it's a better solution than Nikon could come up with. I see no reason to downgrade to this camera from my NEX-5N, and I would never buy a new camera without tilt screen. I'm hoping the introduction of this Canon mirrorless on the market will push Sony to include IBIS in the upcoming upgrade of the NEX-5N/7.
Shouldn't this whole thread be in the Canon EOS mount SLR board? I mean what's alt at this camera at all? Anyway the NEX system is the ALT system for the enthusiast fo a while anyway. Swivel screen, focus peaking and adapters for all kind of mounts make the Sony system still ahead. We have had better EOSfun in the past than the M EOSfun now. Just like Nikon, Canon is prisoner of their own succes in the D-SLR segment of the market. If they don't dare to cannabalize a great part of their own D-SLR business we are not going to see an innovative jump forward. Some other manufacturer will have to do this. The 22/2.0 though is an indication that it can be done. This is a nice fast compact prime, one of a kind. Canon should bring us more like this. Kill the Rebel, the future is to a better EOS-M system
briantho wrote:
I'm hoping the high end model of this camera will at least introduce IBIS and tilt screen. That would make me consider it. This camera will sell only because it's Canon, and at least it's a better solution than Nikon could come up with.
They announced a 18-55 IS EOS-M lens, I am afraid IBIS isn't going to happens
I would expect articulated screen and maybe integrated EVF on a later model. It remains to be seen if the new hotshoe attach could support EVF as add-on.
eosfun wrote:
Canon is prisoner of their own succes in the D-SLR segment of the market. If they don't dare to cannabalize a great part of their own D-SLR business
What's the point of this 'cannibalizing' statements? We finally have a Canon mirrorless camera and now what. Yes, there are features left out, but it's the first model. If mirrorless is hit now it's better to make and sell these than sell nothing (entry level dslr).
It's a start but I wish Canon had gone with a micro four thirds mount instead of introducing yet another lens mount into the ecosystem. Then again, DSLR's all have proprietary lenses. Curious though... is the EF-S/EF adapter included with the camera or an extra purchase?
I'm also not too keen on the lack of dials. The on-screen controls are nice for some settings but for others (aperture, shutter speed) they appear cumbersome. I would have much preferred to see a few more dials on the camera.
For some reason I imagined something that looked like the G1X as Canon's first entry into the mirrorless arena. Plenty of dials and an articulating screen. The camera does remind me of the NEX-5n, just a little more boxier.
It's a start but for now, I'll stick with the Olympus OM-D E-5.
If you read the Canon release on the M the whole first paragraph spouts the benefits to the video crowd. Only slight mention is given to the still photography market.
Nothing to see here folks, just move along........
Excuse me, has anybody noticed the word Phase-detect in the dpreview spec list? If this is what it's supposed to mean then some of us keeping our old trusted long whites could find additional interest in this camera. Unfortunatly I kind of doubt that this is true, where's the circuitry to be found??
No. As we do not have a MILC forum, all MILC stuff is dealt here.
Yakim, I am fine with that, but it seems to me the current board divisions don't work for some types of cameras and applications anymore. There is going to be quite some overlap, redundancy and diversification of information on systems with a Canon mount over various boards. This will make it harder to follow particular threads with a focus on system elements of the Canon EOS system (and maybe also for Nikon systems for that particular 1 series). It's probably not an important issue yet, since these are small systems with a small audience, but I expect the future will bring us more mirrorless system news (wait and see ... ) and what's the use of a board structure that makes it hard to find where the real EOSfun is
mirkoc wrote:
They carefully choose the words to make the camera worse than it is.
Have you used the camera? If yes, can you give your impressions?
If no, how do you know this? The Verge, while not exactly my first choice for photography news, is one of the very best tech sites out there. They, of course, gear their stuff towards the tech reader rather than the photographer, but the information is still likely good.
in the past than the M EOSfun now. Just like Nikon, Canon is prisoner of their own succes in the D-SLR segment of the market. If they don't dare to cannabalize a great part of their own D-SLR business we are not going to see an innovative jump forward. Some other manufacturer will have to do this. The 22/2.0 though is an indication that it can be done. This is a nice fast compact prime, one of a kind. Canon should bring us more like this. Kill the Rebel, the future is to a better EOS-M system 
) and what's the use of a board structure that makes it hard to find where the real EOSfun is