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p.2 #1 · 5D2 Focus Fix (For Some)


how about real AF for full frame: 1ds, 1ds2, 1ds3, 5d3, 1dx or Eg-s for 5D/5D2


Jul 19, 2012 at 11:26 PM
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mttran wrote:
how about real AF for full frame: 1ds, 1ds2, 1ds3, 5d3, 1dx or Eg-s for 5D/5D2


How about you sell any Canon gear you have left. Then you can be happy and you can leave us alone.



Jul 20, 2012 at 03:11 AM
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cputeq wrote:
Completely untrue for me, in both my NEX-5N and A77 experience with MF glass. I loved it when it worked, but I'd often be off by a couple of mm.

It wasn't a vision thing either - it's just the focus peaking wasn't that accurate. Even on close targets and 1.4 speed lenses, I'd have a "DOF" of around 4 inches (according to peaking).

I think, at least for me, I'm MORE accurate if I just disable the peaking and eyeball the focus




That's too bad, its taken some practice, but its worked very well for me, although I rarely need to shoot faster than f//2.



Jul 20, 2012 at 07:01 AM
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Daan B wrote:
If I do this I get accurate focus 95% of the time.


Same here. Otherwise, I switch my lens off AF and focus manually.

-Nick



Jul 20, 2012 at 07:23 AM
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Part II of 'Roger The Big Tease's article is up:

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/07/autofocus-reality-part-ii-1-vs-2-and-old-vs-new

ETA and the conclusion is very interesting. Thanks Roger. I had hoped you would test 5D2 v. 5D3 on this subject matter.



Jul 20, 2012 at 09:36 AM
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So if Rogers findings are correct wrt new camera and lens... question is when did this "new" AF show up in EF-lenses??



Jul 20, 2012 at 09:49 AM
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WebDog wrote:
So if Rogers findings are correct wrt new camera and lens... question is when did this "new" AF show up in EF-lenses??


That's exactly what I'm wondering about. the 300/2.8 II? The new super teles? The 40?? The 24-70?

I'd be tempted to rebuild my kit completely if phase-detect on the new gears can match live view accuracy...



Jul 20, 2012 at 09:55 AM
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AF focus errors are as much a part of a lens as the camera body, in my opinion, its more of a lens error.

I did a AFMA on my 15 Canon lenses using FoCal and right away noted the AF errors on some lenses were much higher than on others. Then I tried my 7D and found the same lenses had the higer rate of AF errors, and one or two had exceptionally high AF errors.

When I got my 5D MK III, it was the same story.

It might be interesting to see a manual run of focal with his settings versus the default FoCal settings to see the difference, if any.



Jul 20, 2012 at 12:04 PM
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Monito wrote:
How about you sell any Canon gear you have left. Then you can be happy and you can leave us alone.


-1, it's better to stay focus at AF subject than this type of post...do you think?



Jul 20, 2012 at 01:18 PM
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timbop wrote:
This likely accounts for 90% of your improvement in keepers. It's also not a secret :-)


Actually I never used anything but the center point focus since I got it. So that was not a factor on the improvement I wrote about as I was still loosing 5% or more of my images to focus errors.





Jul 20, 2012 at 10:03 PM
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A bit more info -

I shot close to 30,000 images on my 5D and 60,000 images on my current 5D2.
Seventy-five percent of all those images consisted of portraits. That is where I could actually notice the focus errors, as I always focus on eyelashes. Believe me, even at f4 there is shallow DOF.

So I ended up with random front and back focus errors on both cameras UNTIL I changed my settings and technique as shown in my OP.




Jul 20, 2012 at 10:17 PM
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Monito wrote:
Results depend on whether the lens is parfocal or not. Only some of Canon's zooms are parfocal.


Didn't know that. All of my zoom lenses are on this list.

http://dougchinnery.blogspot.com/2010/01/canon-parfocal-lenses.html



Jul 23, 2012 at 10:02 PM
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Jon Joshua wrote:
Didn't know that. All of my zoom lenses are on this list.

http://dougchinnery.blogspot.com/2010/01/canon-parfocal-lenses.html


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Jul 29, 2012 at 03:31 PM
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WebDog wrote:
So if Rogers findings are correct wrt new camera and lens... question is when did this "new" AF show up in EF-lenses??


Assuming what I'm seeing is real (I always want to see someone else reproduce a finding ) it seems the new "II" telephotos are accurate focusers compared to the old ones. The third part that checks that is here: http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/07/autofocus-reality-part-3a-canon-lenses

scalesusa wrote:
AF focus errors are as much a part of a lens as the camera body, in my opinion, its more of a lens error.

It might be interesting to see a manual run of focal with his settings versus the default FoCal settings to see the difference, if any.


I agree, both the lens and the camera seem to be involved. What I've seen is only the newer lenses on the newer cameras are more accurate.

I put up one example in Part 1 with a 50 f/1.2 before and after MF adjustment. It improves the average AF result greatly when a lens front or backfocuses, but it can't change the shot-to-shot variation.



Jul 29, 2012 at 03:47 PM
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