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p.2 #1 · Fuji X-Pro 1 - seeking hands-on feedback


Great minds think alike.

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Aug 10, 2012 at 03:55 PM
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p.2 #2 · Fuji X-Pro 1 - seeking hands-on feedback


Luvin' my x-pro1 and using my D700 as a backup


Aug 10, 2012 at 04:18 PM
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p.2 #3 · Fuji X-Pro 1 - seeking hands-on feedback


JohnLL wrote:
I haven't yet bought the Fuji X-Pro 1, but I have had my eye on it for some time. It's not an urgent matter for me, because I have other cameras and while this may be a better tool for many of the photos I like to take, it's by no means impossible with what I have already got. However, with the recent confirmation of the lens roadmap, it is beginning to look like a more versatile system that could replace with advantage (rather than merely add to) some of what I already have.

However, this would be a significant investment,
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1. All of the smearing problems are associated with Adobe based raw converters. There are definitely problems with fine detail smearing. It's not just greens, but people tend to notice the effect on foliage because of the fine detail. There are raw converters that work much better (RPP and DCRAW are the best). It's disappointing at the moment (Adobe's output), but the jpeg engine is among the best out there and there are workable solutions with raw files. I shoot raw+jpeg and am more selective about which images I process as raw files. Capture One is still working on their processing so there may be hope there in the future.

2. I find the autofocus to be completely acceptable. It won't do well with focus tracking, but for static subjects in decent light it borders on very fast. I think some of the negative reviews were before the firmware updates (which also helped with shutter lag and write speeds). Of course expectations play a role too. I had a 5dII and about 7 lenses, none of which were autofocus before the xp1 so my expectations may not be typical. I will just say that sometimes the focus locks on and is almost instantaneous, and sometimes it hunts for focus (particularly in low light). I would also recommend 95mb/s memory cards to keep the write speeds as fast as possible.

3. I find the focus to be very accurate almost all of the time.

4. It's a camera that has some quirks, no doubt. I think one of the biggest things to consider is the rangefinder style interface. It doesn't act like a dslr, and in most cases I don't think it's a suitable replacement. If you need fast, accurate focus for moving subjects, I don't think you'll be happy. However, I am really enjoying the process of shooting with this camera. I love the interface and the output is outstanding. The white balance is usually spot on even in difficult situations. The same can be said for the metering. It just feels like a finely crafted precision instrument, but it's not a speed demon. I think it equals the output I was getting with the 5dii, in nearly every respect (maybe better in some) in a much smaller package.

For ergonomic considerations, I recommend the thumbs up and a soft release shutter button. I bought the grip and quickly returned it.

I realize it's not a camera for the masses, but I love mine I would fully recommend trying one out.



Aug 11, 2012 at 12:52 AM
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flashinm wrote:
1. All of the smearing problems are associated with Adobe based raw converters. There are definitely problems with fine detail smearing. It's not just greens, but people tend to notice the effect on foliage because of the fine detail. There are raw converters that work much better (RPP and DCRAW are the best). It's disappointing at the moment (Adobe's output), but the jpeg engine is among the best out there and there are workable solutions with raw files. I shoot raw+jpeg and am more selective about which images I process as raw files. Capture One is still working on their
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Not quite the case at all in my testing (unless something changed in the last month). If it were just an Adobe issue, things would be much simpler. Adobe does show the most smearing but Silkypix, RPP or whatever you try will also have the issue to a degree. I also find the X-PRo1 jpeg engine among the worst I have ever used. Surprising given how great the X100 jpeg engine is. I documented the jpeg issues here:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1102074/1
That thread also shows that there is an issue with using AdobeRGB with jpegs as well. Again, unless ALL of these issue have been fixed recently, there are IQ issues with both raw and jpeg from the X-Pro1 IF you have high quality requirements for certain subject matter. Certainly Fuji can do better and I'm sure they will fix things eventually (either through firmware or an updated X-pro1) but I think what is happening with Adobe's raw converter with X-Pro1 raws is simply a magnification of an underlying issue.



Aug 11, 2012 at 01:24 PM
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Here's a test I did with checking raw converters. The one that says CF-CR was converted to dng, run through cornerfix, and processed in Camera Raw. You can pretty much ignore the box on the right. I was testing the Contax G 21 at the same time and that's from the extreme corner. That's also the reason for the diagonal orientation. You can clearly see detail smearing issues with all of the Adobe conversions and to a lesser extent Silkypix. RPP looks to be the best, followed closely by dcraw. These are all 100% crops of the same scene at infinity.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8167/7664891244_4abdeb1331_k.jpg

I wish I had thought to include a jpeg for comparison as well, but their jpeg engine has been widely praised as one of the best out there. I'll have to look into it further.



Aug 11, 2012 at 02:09 PM
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Which version of RPP is that? I used a beta version about a month or so ago and saw terrible false color aliasing. The detail is certainly there though. I will see if I can find my X-Pro1 raw file and run it though the most current version of RPP and see if it's fixed.


Aug 11, 2012 at 02:17 PM
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p.2 #7 · Fuji X-Pro 1 - seeking hands-on feedback


Version 4.6. I should have also noted that this test shot was at f11 (for corner reasons). There would be better detail at f8, but this test at least tells me that the issues are software related. Capture One has been working on it for quite a while, so I'm hopeful that they can deliver as my main computer is not a mac.


Aug 11, 2012 at 02:25 PM
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I just tried RPP 4.6 and I'm still seeing severe false color aliasing. You can also see the watercolor effect a little as well. Here is a 100% crop:
http://www.gibranstudio.com/_DSF0129RPP4.jpg

Also, here is the raw file if you want to check it yourself to see if you get the same results:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/5540407/_DSF0129copy.RAF



Aug 11, 2012 at 02:34 PM
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Yeah, I get a similar result. Do you know what firmware version you were using? I'll try to shoot something similar in the next couple days.

http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/5/2/6/6/4/4/webimg/597125455_o.jpg?nc=652



Aug 11, 2012 at 02:56 PM
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flashinm wrote:
Yeah, I get a similar result. Do you know what firmware version you were using? I'll try to shoot something similar in the next couple days.

http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/5/2/6/6/4/4/webimg/597125455_o.jpg?nc=652


It would have been the original firmware as I shot it when I tested the camera back in April. That shot was taken with the Fuji 35 1.4 at 5.6 (sharpest corner to corner F-stop for that lens) so if you have the lens and can take a shot of power lines in front of a bunch of trees like that from a similar distance, It would certainly be interesting to see if a firmware update had an effect on the raws. I highly suspect the important part of the shooting equation would be having the green foliage behind fine detail as I think without some sort of excessively complicated processing algorithm, the sensor arrangement is at the core of all the issues - and why third party raw providers are having problems.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-96-RlCkc3Tw/T7Jz1CkHW8I/AAAAAAAAASU/edMp-ldZt-0/s1600/Slide1Trans.jpg



Aug 11, 2012 at 04:15 PM
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Ok, here's a sample I took while I was out today. Similar conditions, also with the 35mm at f5.6. There's still a good bit of false color, but not as much as your sample. Oddly, the worst part seems to be the two wires at the top with open sky behind.

http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/5/2/6/6/4/4/webimg/597162204_o.jpg?nc=160



Aug 11, 2012 at 05:51 PM
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flashinm wrote:
Ok, here's a sample I took while I was out today. Similar conditions, also with the 35mm at f5.6. There's still a good bit of false color, but not as much as your sample. Oddly, the worst part seems to be the two wires at the top with open sky behind.

http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/5/2/6/6/4/4/webimg/597162204_o.jpg?nc=160


How about that. I think you did a great job of getting a shot fairly close to my example. When I look at this crop on my studio monitor, I also see the false color fairly heavily on all the spiral parts of the electrical stuff. Anyway, it's likely something like that might not turn up all that often but it's still strange to see in 2012. It looks like the sort of digital growing pains one would see a decade ago.



Aug 11, 2012 at 06:22 PM
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p.2 #13 · Fuji X-Pro 1 - seeking hands-on feedback


I used an X-Pro 1 with 60/2.4 and an X100 today to shoot a funeral service. Very discrete. They both worked just fine.


Aug 11, 2012 at 07:22 PM
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p.2 #14 · Fuji X-Pro 1 - seeking hands-on feedback


jcolwell,

roger that, same here; but, in the realm of peeping, the pixel reigns supreme



Aug 11, 2012 at 07:26 PM
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