p.3 #1 · Tell me about the differences between the Zeiss 50P and 50MP
Hello. These are all wideopen except #3 which is probably F/2 (could be 2.8).
Distance? #2 is the oddball which is close, side of the rusty metal box is something like 20 cm if I recall correctly (= 0.2 m). The rest I think you can figure given the motifs.
p.3 #2 · Tell me about the differences between the Zeiss 50P and 50MP
Frank.. Is the ZE 50P also as sharp as the one in pic 4 (boy) of your post at a similar distance? Also do you call that bokeh in pic 4 (boy) nervous? also does focus shift make it difficult to achieve focus relying on confirmation?
p.3 #3 · Tell me about the differences between the Zeiss 50P and 50MP
Jochenb wrote:
I'm sorry for kicking this thread back up, but since yesterday I also own both the 50MP and planar.
I bought the MP the day it came out so I know it well. They're really different.
My first quick thoughts:
- For everything in the closeup range the MP is vastly superiour. From sharpness to bokeh. The bokeh of the planar can be really ugly and nervous IMO.
- The MP is much easier to focus, because of the sharpness wide open and the larger DOF.
I already noticed this when comparing it to my 35/1.4 and 85 planar.
- The planar shines when shooting more distant subjects. It has the ability to isolate a subject much easier than the MP. Carstens car shot also shows this. This is a key feature why one could prefer the planar.
- Stopped down they're both very good. I like the larger DOF of the MP here. You need to stop the planar down more to get the same result.
- The focus ring of the planar feels much looser.
Overall I still think the 50MP is the better allround lens. It's good from (extreme) closeups to infinity. The planar is not.
You mostly buy the planar for it's look and better subject isolation.
The 50 planar reminds me a lot of my 85 planar (duh ) but the 85 has better bokeh IMHO.
Jochen, I agree with you that 50MP has more DOF than 50P. As the 50p's focus falls off fasts r making it better for subject isolation and 3-d. Mentioned this in threads a long time ago and some people thought I was crazy. The bokeh at some shorter distance CA be nervous for the 50P but generally it has a less contrasts more painterly bokeh rendering than 50MP which has more strongly rendered bokeh like 100MP.
I like having both. Now I need one for my D800E in ZF.2 flavor.
p.3 #4 · Tell me about the differences between the Zeiss 50P and 50MP
bbvaj wrote:
Frank.. Is the ZE 50P also as sharp as the one in pic 4 (boy) of your post at a similar distance? Also do you call that bokeh in pic 4 (boy) nervous? also does focus shift make it difficult to achieve focus relying on confirmation?
I'd be surprised if the ZE50 would be less sharp. Often the ZE's represent a gradual perfection over the CYs but perhaps while losing some character.
I dont find the bokeh in pic #4 nervous. But I do think #2 is nervous, perhaps this is what people mean when they say the 50P is not good at close distance. (I could have masked the surrounding from sharpening here which I dont think I did)
With a CY you wont have focus shift as you have a manual aperture. I am not too keen on the ZE series one reason being they do have auto aperture which sometimes could mean focus shift issues (although I think problems with this are somewhat over-exaggerated in a place like FM).
Regarding AF confirm I would not rely on that. I use OVF with a fast matte (EG-S). A lens like this used wideopen have a very shallow DOF (of course). You can learn the behavior of AF confirm, ie noticing the slack moving focusing ring from a greater/shorter distance but it wont be as reliable. At least not in my book.
p.3 #5 · Tell me about the differences between the Zeiss 50P and 50MP
I recently sold my beloved 50MP.
Didn't want to keep 2 50mm lenses and I wasn't shooting closeups much.
I still think the MP is the better allrounder (because of the closeup performance), but the planar has really grown on me. Maybe it's not as great as the MP from a technical point of view, but it just has a 'look', a more special rendering. At least to my eye.
p.3 #7 · Tell me about the differences between the Zeiss 50P and 50MP
We may not see Eg-S like screens in DSLRs going forward... I am planning to use 5DIII, so will have to rely on AF confirmation, i am ok with that as long as it works.
Anyone with 5DIII and ZE 50 1.4P ? How does the focus confirmation work with this combo esp at mid portrait level to long distances? Is there focus shift, which affects ability to achieve critical focus using focus confirmation? In general, 5DIII seems to be quite good...
p.3 #8 · Tell me about the differences between the Zeiss 50P and 50MP
You could be right, but the 6D reintroduced the replaceable screen though. Looking forward I think we're going to see more cams like the Sony A99 with EVF's taking over, but I think it's a slow march.
Anyway, there's a long thread about 5D3 as a gamechanger on that particular subject here on FM. You'll be able to read both pros and cons there. For me I came to the conclusion (without having tried) that the AF confirm IS improved in the 5D3 (compared to the 5D2) but the way I shoot it cannot replace the S-type matte.
p.3 #9 · Tell me about the differences between the Zeiss 50P and 50MP
I am preparing to sell my ZE50MP. I have 50L, C/Y 50mm F1.4 (leitaxed on S5) and 8 other C/Y lenses on E-1/E-300/S5Pro/NEX-5N. I prefer 50L on Canon.
Here is what I found for 50MP. It has best build quality, very sharp, and more accurate focus confirmation on my 5DII compared to adapted C/Y. But I need PP (also need PP on NEX-5N) in order to get photo I like while on S5/E-1/E-300 I can get photos without PP strictly out of JPEG. While after PP, I feel the color of ZE50MP is not real, too punchy, too artificial. My 2 cents only.
p.3 #10 · Tell me about the differences between the Zeiss 50P and 50MP
I actually really like the precision matte screens. IMHO, focus confirmation is only useful for more distant subjects (when your DOF is also larger). For closer subjects the Eg-S screen in my 5DII is great. No guessing. You SEE what's sharp.
That's why I'll never buy a camera without replaceable focusing screen. I'm happy it's back on the 6D, this means it's not end of the line yet.
p.3 #11 · Tell me about the differences between the Zeiss 50P and 50MP
wfrank wrote:
Hello. These are all wideopen except #3 which is probably F/2 (could be 2.8).
Distance? #2 is the oddball which is close, side of the rusty metal box is something like 20 cm if I recall correctly (= 0.2 m). The rest I think you can figure given the motifs.
Just today I tried recreating the same thing.. with a Canon 50mm 1.4 with the same car size approximate distance... in this Canon 50mm shot @ 1.4 I am getting only sharp area half the car., it's like a smudge car--- contrast is below par.
p.3 #12 · Tell me about the differences between the Zeiss 50P and 50MP
0jjcpa123 wrote:
I am preparing to sell my ZE50MP. I have 50L, C/Y 50mm F1.4 (leitaxed on S5) and 8 other C/Y lenses on E-1/E-300/S5Pro/NEX-5N. I prefer 50L on Canon.
Here is what I found for 50MP. It has best build quality, very sharp, and more accurate focus confirmation on my 5DII compared to adapted C/Y. But I need PP (also need PP on NEX-5N) in order to get photo I like while on S5/E-1/E-300 I can get photos without PP strictly out of JPEG. While after PP, I feel the color of ZE50MP is not real, too punchy, too artificial. My 2 cents only. ...Show more →
when you say too punchy, not real & artificial.... what you mean?
p.3 #13 · Tell me about the differences between the Zeiss 50P and 50MP
bushwacker wrote:
Just today I tried recreating the same thing.. with a Canon 50mm 1.4 with the same car size approximate distance... in this Canon 50mm shot @ 1.4 I am getting only sharp area half the car., it's like a smudge car--- contrast is below par.
The car shot happens to be #3 where the lens is a bit stopped down. But aren't all american cars twice as long as the mini? ;-)
Otherwise I think the EF 50/1.4 has an unjust bad reputation. But rendering is different, it's not like the planar.
p.3 #14 · Tell me about the differences between the Zeiss 50P and 50MP
wfrank wrote:
The car shot happens to be #3 where the lens is a bit stopped down. But aren't all american cars twice as long as the mini? ;-)
Otherwise I think the EF 50/1.4 has an unjust bad reputation. But rendering is different, it's not like the planar.
I used a decent car size as a model, I am replicating the same effect on Canon 50mm f/1.4 the results are pretty bad., bokeh is too nervous, stopped down it brings up contrast & sharpness but I am losing the dreamy bokeh.
Reason I asked is I am considering this Zeiss 50mm f/1.4 Planar especially its dreamy bokeh.
) but the 85 has better bokeh IMHO.