kahren wrote:
i have a nokia n8 and while i am overall pretty happy with it, i would go buy the 808 right now if it was $400-450 but the current $650+ price is stopping me
When Nokia puts the 808 sensor, lens and technology into a Windows phone this Fall, it's really going to spell the beginning of the end for even high end P&S's such as this Sony. P&S makers better make hay while they can.
FlyPenFly wrote:
Even if they put a Leica x2 into a windows phone, I doubt I'd leave my iPads and iPhone for a windows phone.
Indeed, but I certainly wouldn't expect apple to merely keep the same 8meg sensor in future generations. Might not be the exact same, but I'm sure we will start seeing larger and better sensors in cameras, especially as they are quickly becoming many consumers primary imaging device.
I for one would welcome a true hybrid smartphone/dedicated camera that could have something like a choice of 2 focal lengths, a decent quality lens, 16megs on a 2/3" sized sensor and the full processing power of the latest smartphone to run a variety of apps etc.
I honestly probably use my iPhone for talking the least of any feature on it lol
Exactly, cell phones are the primary photographic tool of most consumers. Apple will do the same, if not something better and completely different with the iPhone/iPad/I?
millsart wrote:
Does that 41meg Nokia cameraphone still have what would be considered a p&s sensor ?? I thought it would be larger than the standard p&s but really have no clue if its just 1/1.7" or what not
Oh yeah, I forgot about that cameraphone. Very cool.
As others mentioned, the problem for me is that I'm already deeply rooted in the Apple ecosystem, especially for my work use, so changing to something else wouldn't make a lot of sense. That's why I try to just bring my small mirrorless camera most places that I go.
p.s. I'm not saying that the Apple ecosystem is better or worse than what is out there currently, so no apple vs. android vs. windows arguments!
I use an HTC HD7 Windows Phone and really like the OS. The main menu lends itself to getting to things quickly. I'm not a big apps user though which is a main weakness of the Windows Phone. Other than that, I can't wait for Nokia's Pureview phones.
I don't think it's going to matter which cell phone platform anyone is on with regard to camera quality. They will all be great within a year or so, particularly the high end models. At that point, there will likely be a lot of unused, high end P&S's sitting in a dark drawer somewhere. Something to consider before plunking down $500+ on one of these.
Tariq Gibran wrote:
I don't think it's going to matter which cell phone platform anyone is on with regard to camera quality. They will all be great within a year or so, particularly the high end models. At that point, there will likely be a lot of unused, high end P&S's sitting in a dark drawer somewhere. Something to consider before plunking down $500+ on one of these.
You could have posted this comment a year ago and some would agree and even now some will agree BUT i don't think all or most cell phone cameras are going to be great. There really are a handful of cell phones where you can compare them to basic p&s and even then only a few of those have a xenon flash. Imo if you are going to bother with a decent camera on a mobile phone, add a xenon flash. Ip4 camera is good enough but once you need to use the LED flash for anything further then 3 feet its a no go, making it useful basically only across the table shooting.
I think its going to take way longer for a lot of mobile devices to have great cameras, especially considering how very few people pay attention and put that high of priority on the camera part of the smart phone, most consider that part secondary. I consider it primary honestly, because pretty much any smartphone does enough of what i want it to do with it. It still pains me to see all those people that play with their iphone's or whatever other tiny mobile device, for hours squinting at the screen.
kahren wrote:
You could have posted this comment a year ago and some would agree and even now some will agree BUT i don't think all or most cell phone cameras are going to be great. There really are a handful of cell phones where you can compare them to basic p&s and even then only a few of those have a xenon flash. Imo if you are going to bother with a decent camera on a mobile phone, add a xenon flash. Ip4 camera is good enough but once you need to use the LED flash for anything further then 3 feet its a no go, making it useful basically only across the table shooting.
I think its going to take way longer for a lot of mobile devices to have great cameras, especially considering how very few people pay attention and put that high of priority on the camera part of the smart phone, most consider that part secondary. I consider it primary honestly, because pretty much any smartphone does enough of what i want it to do with it. It still pains me to see all those people that play with their iphone's or whatever other tiny mobile device, for hours squinting at the screen. ...Show more →
Well, I think it's inevitable due to competition and the need by manufacturers to continuously have consumers upgrade their phone every year or two that cell phone camera quality will/ is quickly becoming a major differentiator and selling point. The exact issue with low light photography you mention has been solved with the Nokia 808 and it's pixel binning technology for instance. In the past year we have seen a nice jump in quality and I suspect the Nokia 808 portends what's coming. I guess we will see.
kahren wrote:
It still pains me to see all those people that play with their iphone's or whatever other tiny mobile device, for hours squinting at the screen.
Smallish size is still important to me in a phone. I'm not particularly thrilled that the alleged iPhone 5 will have a larger screen, although it appears that it is only just a bit longer, so I likely won't notice much of a difference.
douglasf13 wrote:
Smallish size is still important to me in a phone. I'm not particularly thrilled that the alleged iPhone 5 will have a larger screen, although it appears that it is only just a bit longer, so I likely won't notice much of a difference.
I agree, I've seen some HTC phones that would be rather tough to fit into some pants pockets. Fine for the ladies with a handbag, but for a man, there becomes a point where a phone simply becomes too large.
Anything larger than about 4.3"'s is going to be cumbersome for single handed holding and front pant's pockets in my experience. That said, going from a 3.5" Nexus One to an HTC Sensation with that 4.3"'s was a huge improvement and is still very comfortable to carry in a pocket and hold with one hand. I'm actually somewhat shocked (well not really, they have historically proven to be pretty dogmatic about things... like single button mice for instance) it has taken Apple so long to increase the physical size. After using larger and more featured phones for so long, I personally don't see how people get along with iPhones in their current state...except for the great camera!
Tariq Gibran wrote:
Anything larger than about 4.3"'s is going to be cumbersome for single handed holding and front pant's pockets in my experience. That said, going from a 3.5" Nexus One to an HTC Sensation with that 4.3"'s was a huge improvement and is still very comfortable to carry in a pocket and hold with one hand. I'm actually somewhat shocked (well not really, they have historically proven to be pretty dogmatic about things... like single button mice for instance) it has taken Apple so long to increase the physical size. After using larger and more featured phones for so long, I personally don't see how people get along with iPhones in their current state...except for the great camera! ...Show more →
I suppose Apple figures if you want to enjoy your iPhone apps on a larger screen, you'll thusly get an iPad
Its what I ended up doing and I basically took all the apps, such as music production ones off my iPhone and only use them on the iPad.
iPhone has photo apps like HDR, Pano, and weather apps etc
iPad has stuff better enjoyed on a larger display like Netflix etc
Why sell people just a 4.3" phone when you can sell them both a smartphone AND a tablet, which they will line up for to boot lol
Good point. I never even considered that. My experience with both smartphones and tablets has been they both fall so short of a laptop with keyboard when you really need to do anything remotely serious - even something as simple as sending a detailed email...or forum reply! I tried the external, bluetooth keyboard with both and it's really a "what's the damn point, I should just bring my small laptop" type of thing. So, add a MacBook Air/ Ultrabook to your upsale strategy.
Yeah, my tablets don't get much use. I generally use either my iPhone or Macbook Air. I really don't find any problems with the iPhone's current screen size at all, personally.
Tariq Gibran wrote:
Good point. I never even considered that. My experience with both smartphones and tablets has been they both fall so short of a laptop with keyboard when you really need to do anything remotely serious - even something as simple as sending a detailed email...or forum reply! I tried the external, bluetooth keyboard with both and it's really a "what's the damn point, I should just bring my small laptop" type of thing. So, add a MacBook Air/ Ultrabook to your upsale strategy.
Rather depends on what type of interface you need. I personally don't see how people can type on iPads myself but know people who use them for note taking etc. I don't find it efficient at all.
However at the same time, the multi gesture touch interface can be just fantastic for things such as a virtual channel strip for audio recording software.
Move a fader on the iPad, see it move on the screen. You can apply track automation, easily label controls, have different tabs/pages for things such as dynamics processors etc.
Its just a brilliant interface of hardware and software and in some instances can even go beyond what you could do with a hardware interface, such as assigning a variety of parameters to an XY pad.
You can also link an iPhone as a controller as well, such as making it a simple jog/scrub dial controller etc.
We certainly do still need keyboards for some things, but configurable touch pad interfaces are pretty sweet.
After all, its how all the control surfaces on Star Trek NGR worked lol
Tariq Gibran wrote:
Anything larger than about 4.3"'s is going to be cumbersome for single handed holding and front pant's pockets in my experience. That said, going from a 3.5" Nexus One to an HTC Sensation with that 4.3"'s was a huge improvement and is still very comfortable to carry in a pocket and hold with one hand.
As a touchscreen hater (I have not been able to find any replacement for the 5110) I held the Note a few days ago and immediately fell in love. It felt immensely comfortable in my hand, especially when the other was writing on the screen.
Reminder: Writing is a natural behaviour for humans.
