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Archive 2012 · Anyone use the Fotodiox Pro 88" Para/Parabolic Reflector?

  
 
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p.1 #1 · Anyone use the Fotodiox Pro 88" Para/Parabolic Reflector?


Im thinking of getting it to add to the studio, but havent heard any reviews on it, or heard of anyone owning one.

http://www.amazon.com/Fotodiox-Parabolic-Professional-Photogenic-Speedotron/dp/B003Y62I0C

thanks in advance



Apr 09, 2012 at 11:31 AM
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p.1 #2 · Anyone use the Fotodiox Pro 88" Para/Parabolic Reflector?


I have used it sometimes. Build quality is astonishingly good (sturdy steel rods, thick fabric, manfrotto 231 -copy- boom receptacle). Lighting effect not very different from the known brand paras. First set up does take some time as it comes disassembled. If I recall correctly, we shortened the extension rod as it protudes too far from the opening. All in all, IMO recommendable at that price.


Apr 09, 2012 at 12:54 PM
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p.1 #3 · Anyone use the Fotodiox Pro 88" Para/Parabolic Reflector?


thank you so much, may i ask, does it offer the light focusing ability? as in movable internal rod? What about setup, does it offer a crank like the other para's or do you have to open it like an umbrella?


Apr 09, 2012 at 01:15 PM
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p.1 #4 · Anyone use the Fotodiox Pro 88" Para/Parabolic Reflector?


Yes, the central rod (a standard stud at the front accepts any head) is movable for about 2 feet. Set up is like an umbrella (no crank) and needs some force when you shift the very last inches to the point where it 'clicks' in. At best, let the center rest against a wall (or a strong helper) and press from the backside.


Apr 09, 2012 at 01:48 PM
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p.1 #5 · Anyone use the Fotodiox Pro 88" Para/Parabolic Reflector?


Thank you again. You have made me decide to get it


Apr 09, 2012 at 06:08 PM
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p.1 #6 · Anyone use the Fotodiox Pro 88" Para/Parabolic Reflector?


I have a hard time understanding the advantages of this Fotodiox system over the various Parabolic Light Modifiers available from Paul Buff. The need for serious counterbalancing on the Fotodiox complicates things, and the cost is quite a bit more than a PLM. I have not used a large PLM, but my medium ones work out well. The PLM also offers the option of front diffusers to change the character of the light.

I guess the Fotodiox might give a little more "wrap" of the light around a close subject if the light focus position is set right, but you can get a similar effect from a PLM with a diffuser, or from a large softbox, or from two softboxes. For anyone that may have used both, please explain the things you get from the Fotodiox or a similar large deep parabolic light modifier that you like compared to a large shallow one like the Buff PLM.



Apr 10, 2012 at 12:32 PM
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p.1 #7 · Anyone use the Fotodiox Pro 88" Para/Parabolic Reflector?


Roland W wrote:
please explain the things you get from the Fotodiox or a similar large deep parabolic light modifier that you like compared to a large shallow one like the Buff PLM.


Mainly focusing. You can't tuck the head into the PLM (it's at the focal point, but some people use the push the head past the focal point into the big paras to get a different look)...



Apr 10, 2012 at 04:44 PM
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p.1 #8 · Anyone use the Fotodiox Pro 88" Para/Parabolic Reflector?


Roland W wrote:
I have a hard time understanding the advantages of this Fotodiox system over the various Parabolic Light Modifiers available from Paul Buff. … For anyone that may have used both, please explain the things you get from the Fotodiox or a similar large deep parabolic light modifier that you like compared to a large shallow one like the Buff PLM.

All so called parabolic modifiers are approximations of a parabola, they are not perfectly parabolic. The deeper parabolic reflectors are more forgiving, more efficient with the light, produce less spill, and offer a greater range of focusing. If you look at the edge of the light projected onto a surface from a deep para, it will have a much sharper transition than from a shallow para.

If you look at the first image in this ‘review’, you can see just how well define the edge is from this Profoto deepish para brolly.
http://www.profoto.com/blog/light-shaping-2/light-shaping-tool-of-the-month-umbrella-xl/

The Fotodiox may seem expensive at $700, but when you consider size of the reflector, the stand, wheels, counter weight, sand bag, etc, it is a good deal. The boom clamp is based on the Manfrotto 123 Pivoting Boom Clamp, and is a good copy.

You could ask the question: why use a Buff PLM instead of a regular large umbrella. I’m not knocking the Buff shallow paras, they are in themselves a good deal, but a PLM is about as different to a regular brolly as a deep para is to a Buff PLM.

Brian A



Apr 10, 2012 at 10:33 PM
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p.1 #9 · Anyone use the Fotodiox Pro 88" Para/Parabolic Reflector?


Any updates on this? anyone else get it? im about 75% about going to pull the trigger


Apr 08, 2013 at 05:49 PM
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p.1 #10 · Anyone use the Fotodiox Pro 88" Para/Parabolic Reflector?


Did you get this one?


Sep 28, 2016 at 02:21 PM
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p.1 #11 · Anyone use the Fotodiox Pro 88" Para/Parabolic Reflector?


hugowolf wrote:
The deeper parabolic reflectors are more forgiving, more efficient with the light, produce less spill, and offer a greater range of focusing. If you look at the edge of the light projected onto a surface from a deep para, it will have a much sharper transition than from a shallow para.

If you look at the first image in this ‘review’, you can see just how well define the edge is from this Profoto deepish para brolly.
http://www.profoto.com/blog/light-shaping-2/light-shaping-tool-of-the-month-umbrella-xl/



The edge isn't defined because of the depth of Profoto's umbrella but because the photographer didn't use a spill kill reflector to hide the bare bulb from being visible from the sides (he's using a ProDaylight Air, meaning a head with a bare bulb). If you look at the umbrella's inside surface head on, you won't see the bulb. But if you don't use a spill kill reflector and move to the side, you may see the bare bulb along an angle that's between the head on axis and the line drawn between the bulb and the outer fabric's edge.

The good news is that, unlike Profoto's recessed heads, he's using what is the only flash tube design / umbrella hole / spill kill reflector mount combination on the market that can be adapted to any umbrella arc shape and position (since the spill kill reflector can be moved back and forth to cover the bare bulb in any situation).

BTW, you can't really use this picture and argue that the modifier is behaving like a parabolic reflector since the illumination covers a nearly 180° circle . Theoretically, a perfect parabolic reflector used with a perfect point light source should indeed result in sharp edges and project a perfectly even circle of light that's the same diameter as the modifier. That's not what we're seeing here. It's the bare bulb.

In fact, my Profoto 85cm silver deep umbrella is everything but a parabolic modifier since :
1) the arc shape doesn't follow a parabolic curve. Basically, you could say that the inner circle is parabolic, or that the outer one is, but you can't have both of them behave in a parabolic way at the same time.
2) Because it's too deep and the sliding ring that supports the rods is in the way, you can't really reach the focal point for the outer circle. So, basically, from the subject's point of view, the 85cm silver deep will never be an 85cm modifier, but just a glorified beauty dish that you can't put close to the subject. When people say that the deep silver umbrellas from Profoto are more specular, it's not just because it's a silver reflector, but mostly simply because, from the subject's point of view, it's never as big as its real size, unless they are used really close.
3) If you use one of Profoto's recessed heads, even if you could actually reach the focal point, since it would be far inside the modifier, no light would hit the outer circle of the umbrella.

That, is a picture of one of Paul Buff's PLM (the lower one), with spill from the bare bulb reduced as much as possible (there still is some visible on the pillar for example):
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7271/27610504161_1a427e3639_b.jpg
source : https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4015351

In this picture the beam of light isn't a perfectly well defined circle that's the same size as the modifier, but, as you said, nothing is perfect (and I'm not even sure a truly perfect parabolic modifier would be desirable). But it's as tight a beam as it can get.



Sep 28, 2016 at 03:40 PM





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