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ebrandon wrote:
I find it amusing that this 19mm on NEX thread has morphed into a 30mm on m43 thread. But that's fine -- intelligent conversation is allowed to meander.
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My take-away is that the Sigma 19mm is not brilliant at infinity, especially on the edges. It's much better as a close-to-medium distance lens.
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My apologies, I didn't mean to derail your thread. But I just couldn't help myself.

Many thanks for the samples. I'm now really looking forward to getting the call from the camera store telling me that the Sigma 19mm is available for collection. I hardly ever photograph anything further away than 5 meters so the fact that it seems to be optimized for close to medium distances is good news to me.

theSuede wrote:
The >57mm <60mm lens on an SLR-type camera has a very specific meaning. It's very much easier to construct a 57mm+ lens with the back-focal distance needed due to the mirror-box than it is to do the same with a 50mm lens. If you want to do a 50mm lens with the classical ultron/planar layout you have to "compress" the back end to make it fit, and that effects performance by a noticeable amount.

Some new base constructions have surfaced in the last few years, that makes shorter, fast lenses available for a lot less money.

19mm seems just about perfect to
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It's interesting, though, that the market resisted the 57mm and 58mm standard lenses and more or less forced the lens designers to produce the 50mm lenses that they preferred. Could this have been because a lot of the early purchasers of SLRs were accustomed (and loyal) to the 50mm focal length that they'd been using on their Leica, Contax, Nikon, and Canon rangefinder cameras?

28mm on fullframe is as wide as I like to go too, which is one of the reasons I placed an order for the 19mm Sigma as well as the 30mm. But I'm currently using 24/25mm and 50mm lenses on my NEX-5N bodies so when the fullframe mirrorless cameras arrive I might want to use the 25mm Biogon as my widest lens (assuming that the corner performance is good). Otherwise, the 28mm Elmarit-R is waiting.

Jman13 wrote:
It is very interesting how personal focal length preference is. I know some people love the 35mm focal length, while I've never liked it. I love 50mm, and I love 24mm, and I love 100mm.

Interestingly enough, at the telephoto end, overall, I am really not a fan of 85mm FF equivalent, yet even just a smidge longer, to 90mm equiv, is just fine. It's hard to describe, as the difference between 85 and 90 is extremely small, but it's enough that it drives me nuts to shoot with an 85, as it's just a little too short. 90-135 is
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24/25mm, 50mm, and 100mm equiv is a great set -- it covers a broad range with relatively few lenses and there's a distinct jump from one to another.

A lot of Leica shooters like 28mm and 50mm (or 28mm, 50mm, and 90mm) so the Sigma 19mm may be appealing to NEX users who might want to pair it with a 35mm fullframe lens.



Apr 05, 2012 at 10:16 PM
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p.2 #2 · Sigma 19mm f2.8 on NEX - Initial impressions


ebrandon wrote:
My take-away is that the Sigma 19mm is not brilliant at infinity, especially on the edges. It's much better as a close-to-medium distance lens.


Thanks for your post, Sir Eric. Good to have some initial reviews. That lens does remind me somewhat of OM rendering. Do you see that in the larger files?

BTW, I think your infinity is just not brilliant on that camera lens. It looks pretty hazy and smoggy... Just sayin'.



Apr 05, 2012 at 10:31 PM
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mco_970 wrote:
Thanks for your post, Sir Eric. Good to have some initial reviews. That lens does remind me somewhat of OM rendering. Do you see that in the larger files?

BTW, I think your infinity is just not brilliant on that camera lens. It looks pretty hazy and smoggy... Just sayin'.


Yes, the Sigma is a little OM-ish. At the risk of calling a "fatwa" down on my head, I think the rendering is a little Leica-ish in the muted contrast, lack of "3D", but very detailed images. Basically, it's whatever the opposite of Zeiss is.

At the risk of highjacking my own thread (is that possible?) here are a few OM 35-80mm f2.8 images from yesterday. This lens exemplifies for me how OM is happily half-way between Leica and Zeiss rendering, if that makes any sense.

http://thebrandons.smugmug.com/Other/Samples-for-forums/i-TZdxL26/0/X2/OM-35-80mm-1-X2.jpg

http://thebrandons.smugmug.com/Other/Samples-for-forums/i-BVkG3qJ/0/X2/OM-35-80mm-2-X2.jpg

http://thebrandons.smugmug.com/Other/Samples-for-forums/i-fdpCnJ7/0/X2/OM-35-80mm-3-X2.jpg



Apr 05, 2012 at 10:37 PM
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p.2 #4 · Sigma 19mm f2.8 on NEX - Initial impressions


ebrandon wrote:
Yes, the Sigma is a little OM-ish. At the risk of calling a "fatwa" down on my head, I think the rendering is a little Leica-ish in the muted contrast, lack of "3D", but very detailed images.


Maybe we should call these new 2.8 lenses "Sigmarit," like we do with the 50/1.4 "Sigmalux?"



Apr 05, 2012 at 11:16 PM
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I was hoping for a landscape lens.

I guess I should save my $200 for the new zooms coming out.



Apr 05, 2012 at 11:21 PM
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douglasf13 wrote:
Maybe we should call these new 2.8 lenses "Sigmarit," like we do with the 50/1.4 "Sigmalux?"


Douglas, if "Sigmarit" doesn't catch on, there's no justice in the world!



Apr 05, 2012 at 11:40 PM
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p.2 #7 · Sigma 19mm f2.8 on NEX - Initial impressions


genji wrote:
Douglas, if "Sigmarit" doesn't catch on, there's no justice in the world!


We'll, I've got both of these lenses on the way, so I'll shamelessly call them Sigmarits from now on, unless someone is strictly opposed.



Apr 05, 2012 at 11:58 PM
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p.2 #8 · Sigma 19mm f2.8 on NEX - Initial impressions


douglasf13 wrote:
We'll, I've got both of these lenses on the way, so I'll shamelessly call them Sigmarits from now on, unless someone is strictly opposed.


I've ordered both lenses and will refer to them as Sigmarits too.



Apr 06, 2012 at 12:15 AM
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genji wrote:
I've ordered both lenses and will refer to them as Sigmarits too.


Sigmarit it is! I'm on the bandwagon.



Apr 06, 2012 at 01:24 AM
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p.2 #10 · Sigma 19mm f2.8 on NEX - Initial impressions


Well, the "Sigmarit" 19 in NEX mount showed up late yesterday and though I had not planned on even opening it as I don't plan to keep my just purchased NEX-7, I could not resist seeing how it performs on that camera before selling the lens also. My take on it is that it renders in a very Minolta/ Leica way. Colors are very saturated, contrast is medium to high, microcontrast is below Zeiss but definitely more than Olympus. It is better than the kit lens, no doubt. In very bright, tricky light, it does have a little CA noticeable off center and towards the corners- much less than many Zeiss wides I've used though.

Here are some examples I just took on the NEX-7:

F4:
http://www.gibranstudio.com/siga.jpg

F5:
http://www.gibranstudio.com/sicd.jpg
100% crop from above:
http://www.gibranstudio.com/sicd1.jpg

F5.6:
http://www.gibranstudio.com/sige.jpg
100% crops:
Top right corner
http://www.gibranstudio.com/sige1.jpg
Center:
http://www.gibranstudio.com/sige2.jpg



Apr 06, 2012 at 08:40 AM
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p.2 #11 · Sigma 19mm f2.8 on NEX - Initial impressions


maybe I need this before my next trip. any comparisons with the E16mm?


Apr 06, 2012 at 10:27 AM
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p.2 #12 · Sigma 19mm f2.8 on NEX - Initial impressions


Jerome's Flickr account has similar tests with the 19 and 16.
Link



Apr 06, 2012 at 10:33 AM
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p.2 #13 · Sigma 19mm f2.8 on NEX - Initial impressions


Jman13 wrote:
Looks to be quite nice optically.

As a micro 4/3 shooter, I'm disappointed that Sigma developed these for NEX and then decided to just port them to m4/3...on that system they just don't make any sense. The 19/2.8 would make a nice wide normal, but there's already the outstanding 20/1.7 that is both smaller and a stop and a half faster. The 30mm is just in no-mans land on m4/3 (though, again, makes sense for NEX).

It's obvious Sigma can make high quality glass...I'm just hoping that they do a few dedicated designs for m4/3. If they don't, I'm at
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I think adapting both these lenses more or less 'as is' from their DP to both M 4/3 and NEX was a low risk, low cost option for dipping their feet into these mounts. I think the writing was already on the wall that they would not sell well in M 4/3 mount. OTOH there are all sorts of posts and samples for the NEX versions, I think they will be great sellers on NEX. I think Sigma will probably take away the right message here- the right Sigma mirrorless lenses will sell well (and not that M 4/3 is a poor choice for their lenses.)

theSuede wrote:
19mm seems just about perfect to me, since 28mm on a FF/FX camera is about as wide as I ever need. Wider than that enters the "synthetic perspective" region, which I think is very hard to pull off, and will look very "not-realistic" whatever mapping you chose. It can be very "striking", as the 14-24 on the Nikon system can show, or any of the newer super-wide zooms on APS - but there's no way around the "this is not realistic" feeling you get from looking at the images.


Yeah, besides not really liking the E 16mm IQ-wise, the change from 28mm to 24mm is very signficant. I am very comfortable and familiar with 28mm equivalent (having owned a Ricoh GRD for awhile), but never took a liking to 24mm.



Apr 06, 2012 at 10:40 AM
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It's amazing to me that the 5N is able to correct both distortion and CA. From other posts I have read the NEX mount specs don't provide for such correction information in the lenses. So either that information is wrong, or the 5N has some nice voodoo magic going on.

Actually that wouldn't surprise me, I have never been a fan of the Sony kit zoom but on the 5N I really love the JPEG's right out of the camera. On the previous NEX cameras I really did not want to shoot this lens, now I do (but looking forward to getting my Sigmarit 30mm more!!)



Apr 06, 2012 at 10:43 AM
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I must say, this little 19mm is getting me pretty excited for the 30mm that I have on the way, since the 30 is the better of the two lenses. Even this 19mm lens is very sharp in the center at f2.8, and looks ok to me at f5.6 in the corners, considering the other wide options for NEX out there. It's not a razor at the extreme corners, but it's probably usable with some adjustment in LR.

Here is an infinity shot at f5.6 on the NEX-7 with standard LR4 import settings, except that I activated CA correction. I didn't use a tripod with these, so take them with a grain of salt. Just a quick corner check.

full shot:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7235/7052631329_48a1c9fd7c_b.jpg


center crop:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7202/7052631271_84c1548766.jpg


very top right corner:
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5200/6906541074_a06e6d0ee1.jpg



Apr 06, 2012 at 11:46 PM
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So, do the NEX7 in-camera corrections used with the Sigma 19, alter the RAW file as well as the jpeg?

And is that shot taken from south of Ventura Blvd, looking north?



Apr 07, 2012 at 12:32 AM
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The only NEX-7 in-camera corrections that have the potential to alter RAW, as far as I know, is vignetting, and I don't know if it is correcting this lens or not. I have the CA correction set to Auto, and it definitely wasn't corrected in RAW, and it there isn't any signs of distortion correction, either.

Yep, this was taken from the top of my backyard a couple of blocks south of Ventura. Are you a neighbor, Jim?



Apr 07, 2012 at 12:53 AM
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I'm sort of hoping the RAW file gets altered with E mount lenses like this Sigma 19, as I'm about to order one. It would be nice to have at least the CA and distortion corrections already in the DNG file when importing into LR. I guess that's too much to ask.

Even needing f/5.6 for reasonable corners, with the 19/2.8, is a stop less than the typical 17-18mm f/4 SLR solution needs, so the Sigma has got that going for it, not to mention way less weight.

OT-ness: Douglas, I lived in the area, before I started a family and moved to suburbia. You may live down the hill from that flying saucer house where they filmed the DePalma movie, Body Double.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemosphere



Apr 07, 2012 at 01:05 PM
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Hey, that's right. I'm literally directly north of that house. We just had our first child a little over a month ago, so we may need to consider suburbia, too. I just like living in the woods, so it may be a tough change. We'll see.

I think that, considering the size and price, the "Sigmarit" 19/2.8 is a no brainer. There just aren't a lot of wide options out there for the NEX-7, and it's not much of a gamble for $199. It's biggest fault is CA, but that is reasonably fixable.



Apr 07, 2012 at 02:03 PM
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Looks like a very reasonable lens, and a bargain. I've got the 30/2.8 on the way, and looking forward to it.

From the crops I've seen (here and on blue skies' thread on DPR), I'm not sure the 19/2.8 offers much over the 16/2.8, though. The corners probably don't fall off as precipitously as the 16, though overall sharpness doesn't look any better, and might not be as good (stopped down, anyway -- the 16 is so weak at f/2.8 that I never shoot it there). I suspect the choice between the two would have more to do with focal length than absolute image quality.



Apr 07, 2012 at 02:41 PM
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