arbitrage wrote:
Yes, I agree, Canon is already losing $3300 per person that has decided the 5D3 is good enough. And losing $6800 per person who switches to the Nikon cameras. They really need to get their act together with this camera. I wonder what the problem is that they are trying to fix??
I just cancelled the deposit that I had on the 1DX since October 18th, and applied it to the 5DIII, along with a friend who did the exact same. It was a timing thing, as our wedding season is now kicking-in, and to be honest the 5DIII fulfils our "needs", even though the 1DX had a few more of our "wants".
You can say 100% that is not what they are working on the af lighting issue, do you work closely with the design of the camera.
On another note i am one of those who shoot sports and weddings and this problem is a big deal for me. I'd not buy a 1dx knowing they dont have that option since i have always had it working on my 1dm3 its set to always on and brighter when locked. My 5d mark 1 even flashes to let you know where your focus point is. Please dont speak on my behalf. Thanks.
I think it is better for us that 1DX is delayed, hopefully for reasons of ensuring excellent product quality, than issuing the camera prematurely like what might have happened to 1DMkIII.
In some ways, 5DMkIII is probably a test baloon for Canon, whereby much customer feedback could be obtained for those features which 5DMkIII and 1DX share.
It looks like Canon is determined to succeed with 1DX (and 5DMkIII too).
I think their definition of 1DX success is for it to be the best performing dSLR on the market today, and not by a little debateable margin either.
Bosman wrote:
You can say 100% that is not what they are working on the af lighting issue, do you work closely with the design of the camera.
On another note i am one of those who shoot sports and weddings and this problem is a big deal for me. I'd not buy a 1dx knowing they dont have that option since i have always had it working on my 1dm3 its set to always on and brighter when locked. My 5d mark 1 even flashes to let you know where your focus point is. Please dont speak on my behalf. Thanks.
No I don't have any knowledge but does anyone truly believe that Canon would radically redesign the entire focus system that relies on the new LCD overlay? I mean come on, if you believe that then I have some ocean front land to sell you in Nebraska!!
arbitrage wrote:
No I don't have any knowledge but does anyone truly believe that Canon would radically redesign the entire focus system that relies on the new LCD overlay? I mean come on, if you believe that then I have some ocean front land to sell you in Nebraska!!
I see a tendency to make a lot of presumptions and assumptions. I never made a claim as to what they are doing and why its taking longer. All i know is cameras are a tool for my two photography businesses and as with any type of work you do you purchase tools based on your needs. I happen to have relied on this focus point option for years because in low light its tricky working with shallow depth of fields and even if i only used the center focus point without knowing its in fact at the center point or if it is in fact on my subjects eye or whatever then I can miss focus so yes this option has helped me to not have that issue. If you dont want to use it and you shoot in conditions that it doesn't make a difference thats fine, but while this camera is for pretty much every type of photography it is the PJ and wedding photographers that are probably purchasing this camera more than any other segment and have a use for that feature more than any other segment but i don't claim to know that to be true. As for the 7d who really knows that that wasn't an issue for a lot of people. Like the other lighting features that have been utilized for the cameras focus screen, to me it seems there is no reason why they couldn't just make firmware to support that feature.
Jeffrey wrote:
I'm sure that 1Dx images can't be distinguished from any other camera on the internet.
Now that is something I'm also 100% sure of No one can determine any modern camera from internet sized pictures. People think they can but there is no way they could in a blind test.
Bosman wrote:
I see a tendency to make a lot of presumptions and assumptions. I never made a claim as to what they are doing and why its taking longer. All i know is cameras are a tool for my two photography businesses and as with any type of work you do you purchase tools based on your needs. I happen to have relied on this focus point option for years because in low light its tricky working with shallow depth of fields and even if i only used the center focus point without knowing its in fact at the center point or if it is in fact on my subjects eye or whatever then I can miss focus so yes this option has helped me to not have that issue. If you dont want to use it and you shoot in conditions that it doesn't make a difference thats fine, but while this camera is for pretty much every type of photography it is the PJ and wedding photographers that are probably purchasing this camera more than any other segment and have a use for that feature more than any other segment but i don't claim to know that to be true. As for the 7d who really knows that that wasn't an issue for a lot of people. Like the other lighting features that have been utilized for the cameras focus screen, to me it seems there is no reason why they couldn't just make firmware to support that feature.
Not sure why you are so upset with me stating the obvious. I never said anything about not understanding your needs, wants and desires for your photography business. I never said anything that should affect you personally. If you don't agree with me then state your belief and we will see where the chips fall in a few months. I admit I have no insider knowledge so why make such a big deal about it. Just make a post saying you think Canon will redesign the entire LCD/ AF system before the 1DX is released and that should be it.
And how am I speaking on your behalf? Who am I speaking to for you? I'm not speaking to anyone except those reading on this forum. All I said is I will guarantee 100% that Canon won't redesign the AF system/LCD screen before the 1DX has to be release before the Olympics.
And also why are you so worried about this system. Do you have a 5D3? Have you tried a 7D? Do you have any real life experience or are you just on here getting upset because of 2 poster's complaints in another thread?
And finally (I hope), I think you really misunderstand the difference in the technology Canon implemented in the 7D. It is not a firmware change, it is a physically different LCD, light source and it ties directly into how the AF system works and how it functions. The only thing Canon can change is to add a pre-flash as it starts to focus and to allow it to illuminate the active AF point. If these are your only issues then I agree Canon can change that with a few hours of code writing. But they will not be able to allow it to show red in normal/bright light because of how the new LCD works and will not be able to eliminate the red glow coming from the lens. If those two issues are a problem than you will be better off with a 1Ds3 or 5D2 for your business.
Rather than run in circles about what each of us wrote I will answer you on a couple questions.
First do i have real world experience, yes. Have i shot the 7d, no. Have i looked at more 7d images than you will in your lifetime, probably. I hire shooters for shooting marathons and other events and in reviewing hundreds of thousands of images per year I think the 7d is a top notch focusing machine.
Do i have experience with the 5d3 specifically, yes. Have i been testing and reading and re-testing since i got it almost 2 weeks ago, yes. Do i love the camera,yes. Will i shoot sports with it ever, yes but i will first test it on a mountain bike race April 22nd. Will i still use the 1dm3, yes when light isn't an issue and i don't have to put 12,000 images on it in one day. Else the 5dm3 will be with me in some of those spring and fall events where its almost completely dark out.
Is the focus VF issue new to me, yes. Is it important to how i shoot, yes. Do i understand how Canon designed it and whether or not it is physically possible to achieve what i am asking, no. Have i suspended buying a second 5dm3 for my wedding work, yes, that is one of the reasons.
I bought the 1dm3 new in 2007 when it came out and it will never die completely as long as i keep replacing shutter boxes. Last year i replaced my second shutter box at 343 thousand actuations. Sorry i like the word shutter box right now.
I have read more data and whatnot about cameras and specs since i got my 5dm3 than i ever have because i havent started my season of work so i have time but I'm trying to understand all i can about my camera before pushing it to the limits with my wedding and portrait clients.
I totally understand where you are coming from and I agree that the system isn't as ideal as it should be. I also understand that for you as a professional it is very important for the camera to work the way you need it to and not something you can just make do with. What is the main issue you see personally with the way it works on your 5D3. Is it the lack of a prefocus flash of red in dark conditions or is it a lack of any red showing up in bright conditions? Are you concerned with the red glow from the lens that other people can see? As I said in the previous post, I think firmware can correct the first problem and could even leave the active AF point illuminated all the time because we know it can selectively light them up. But my understanding of the system is that the way the light is generated from the side will always result in the red glow through the lens and that it will never show red in brighter light. However, I think you may find that the system must work fairly well as you said yourself you've looked through a lot of 7D images and been impressed. All those photographers where using the same system as to how things light up as is what is in the 5D3 so it must work for a lot of situation.
Personally I've had the 7D for 2 years and the 5D2 for 2 months and the 5D3 for 1 week. I like the newer system better for what I do but then again before the 7D I'd only used a t1i and I grew to love the 7D as my first higher end camera and the first one I had with good lenses on it.
Hopefully we can all work together and hopefully people like you that have more clout with Canon as professionals can get your complaints across and get at least some things changed.
No hard feelings. Hopefully it will all work out in the end.
Its all good, I am a Canon Professional Services member and have enough points to be platinum but its pricy to be platinum. Anyway thats nothing really, I am sure the explorers of light and the Canon Ambassadors already noticed this kind of thing in their sample tests and reported it but who knows how proactive Canon is and what is important to them.
I'd be satisfied with the VF lighting up during prefocus, it works well enough on my 5D that way that i can get what i need.
There are some other things i contacted Canon about. Here they are:
I also want to have custom flash settings for my custom settings, that is not allowed as yet. I have one Custom setting that i want only low light and disable flash but have my flash assist beam from my flash helping to lock focus.
Also I'd like the ability to save all my custom settings to a card so if i have a second 5dm3 i can just load them in.
You have really nice gear Arbit Rage, you have no doubt done your research, the only thing is coming from the original 12.8 mp 5D is the exact same focus system, else i was itching for it. I am sure you will still like your 5Dm2 but when you know you need focus to hit in low light the 5dm3 with prob be your go to. It will be for me even more than my 1dm3.
I literally just ordered a 24F1.4 II. I hope it is everything i dream it to be. Going to be using it for weddings for that killer dof and low light shooting as well as impecable sharpness stopped down. Lotsa cash going out my doors...
What lenses you sporting? What do you like and what do you gravitate to?
arbitrage wrote:
...I think firmware can correct the first problem and could even leave the active AF point illuminated all the time because we know it can selectively light them up. But my understanding of the system is that the way the light is generated from the side will always result in the red glow through the lens and that it will never show red in brighter light....
That (the phrase I bolded) by itself would be a huge benefit for me. When I am shooting in low light and want to choose an AF point, the way the 1D series and 5DII make it obvious by red illumination is just plain easy and quick. I can live with a glow through the lens, as I don't shoot on movie sets.
