p.23 #1 · 5d M III Viewfinder illumination and af points!
ggreene wrote:
As a Canon user it is definitely frustrating seeing Nikon get it right on the D4 and price the thing $1000 less.
What's right to you may not be right for everybody. I am totally ok with the transmissive screen and all that it offers. I like the instant grid screen and have no issues.
p.23 #2 · 5d M III Viewfinder illumination and af points!
Correct me if I am wrong. As far as I read, it is possible to choose the selected AF point/group to be shown and highlighted red, when pressing the shutter release button and confirmed AF is shown highlighted again (?) in "one shot" mode? Right?
p.23 #3 · 5d M III Viewfinder illumination and af points!
"Totally ok" is not exactly a ringing endorsement, and I also suspect you may not have used a camera with the previous AF illumination. I honestly believe any photographer who shoots with both styles for any time and all would find the method employed by the 5D Mark III and 7D a major P.I.T.A. and a hindrance to making great photographs some degree.
Like I said before, the AF issue was a major step forward. But the new method of AF point illumination means Canon took or two steps forward and one step back.
p.23 #5 · 5d M III Viewfinder illumination and af points!
I don't understand exactly what you are asking, Ralph, but I will try to answer:
1.) It IS possible to choose the selected AF point/group,
2.) But it is NOT possible to have the selected AF point/group shown and highlighted red if in AI Servo mode, OR without having a red AF point/group camouflaged by an entire veil of red in the VF in One Shot mode, OR having to go back to using a black AF point/group in One Shot mode,
3.) When pressing the shutter release button (or in my case, the joystick on the back panel) the AF point is NOT highlighted again if it is set to black, but it is in a sense highlighted again in red but again is camouflaged and lost in a veil of red when the entire VF lights up. The AF point/group also is differentiated by a different icon or grouping of icons that also helps, but they still get lost either if they are in black (for obvious reasons) or in red because the whole VF flashes in red, and not just the AF point/group.
p.23 #6 · 5d M III Viewfinder illumination and af points!
Yes, I understand this. The VFs AF points are not related to one LED (each) any longer like it was in the past. There are some LEDs lighting the whole viewfinder. But isnīt it possible to show the selectet point/group ONLY (independent from if it is highlighted or not) in Single shot mode?
p.23 #7 · 5d M III Viewfinder illumination and af points!
Todd Klassy wrote:
"Totally ok" is not exactly a ringing endorsement, and I also suspect you may not have used a camera with the previous AF illumination. I honestly believe any photographer who shoots with both styles for any time and all would find the method employed by the 5D Mark III and 7D a major P.I.T.A. and a hindrance to making great photographs some degree.
Like I said before, the AF issue was a major step forward. But the new method of AF point illumination means Canon took or two steps forward and one step back.
Really, how about a 1D2, 2N, 3, 4 5D, 5D2, 5D3. Nikon D3 X2 D700, D300S and a lot of lessor cameras. I can get along with either screen without a problem. It's all there is for now , The choice that we had if we didn't like the screen is to not buy a 5D3, that's it. It really wouldn't matter which screen you or I liked because Canon is offering the 5D3 with transmissive screen. I don't think they are going to bend to your wishes unfortunately.
p.23 #8 · 5d M III Viewfinder illumination and af points!
Have I said that I expect Canon to bend to my wishes? No. Is there anything wrong with me or anyone else expressing dissatisfaction? No, there shouldn't be. Not sure why you need to be defensive if you are "totally OK" with this new "feature," or why you even feel compelled about something you are absolutely fine with for that matter. But that too is your prerogative.
Is it also possible that this change doesn't impact you because you shoot differently and shoot different subjects than me (and everyone else who has a problem with it)? You are not omnipotent.
p.23 #9 · 5d M III Viewfinder illumination and af points!
I even bought a 3 stops ND filter but there isn't much difference, a tiny bit, to be optimistic. Contrast on the black points is missing in bright daylight with fast primes!!!!
p.23 #10 · 5d M III Viewfinder illumination and af points!
geniousc wrote:
It really wouldn't matter which screen you or I liked because Canon is offering the 5D3 with transmissive screen. I don't think they are going to bend to your wishes unfortunately.
The problem is for those of us who use 1 series bodies (1D4 and 1D2 for me) this is a definite step back in usability in low light when you need to track subjects in AI Servo. I shoot in cave like gymnasiums and need to stay on target. That's a lot more difficult to do if I can't see the bloody AF point.
Arghhhh, I need to stay away from these threads. Canon's ineptitude on this whole thing is staggering, but we're expected to anti-up $7000 for it.
p.23 #12 · 5d M III Viewfinder illumination and af points!
ggreene wrote:
The problem is for those of us who use 1 series bodies (1D4 and 1D2 for me) this is a definite step back in usability in low light when you need to track subjects in AI Servo. I shoot in cave like gymnasiums and need to stay on target. That's a lot more difficult to do if I can't see the bloody AF point.
Arghhhh, I need to stay away from these threads. Canon's ineptitude on this whole thing is staggering, but we're expected to anti-up $7000 for it.
I hear yah, but it is what it is and we can't change it. It seems to be a trend in the industry to use this type of screen. The next iteration from Canon may go the other way but only if they lose business and other companies do it. But I'm betting people will adapt.
p.23 #15 · 5d M III Viewfinder illumination and af points!
Squeaky wheels get the grease. No, we, as in those who ARE complaining about it can't change it, but all indications are that Canon pays attention to this board. And if all we do is sit on our hands, then Canon won't change it either. But here's to hoping THEY change it.
p.23 #17 · 5d M III Viewfinder illumination and af points!
Todd Klassy wrote:
Squeaky wheels get the grease. No, we, as in those who ARE complaining about it can't change it, but all indications are that Canon pays attention to this board. And if all we do is sit on our hands, then Canon won't change it either. But here's to hoping THEY change it.
p.23 #18 · 5d M III Viewfinder illumination and af points!
pompo wrote:
I say hit them where it hurt$$$, problem is, in the meantime if you don't upgrade to the 1DX you gotta shoot with outdated gear...
I really want the larger &better than 1D Mark IV's AF and the faster FPS of the 1DX but the cr@ppy VF stops me from ordering it
Unbelieveable! So gear is outdated as soon a company "introduces" something new?
There is still no follow up for 1D IV available (jet an "announced" one that might be offered in Asia from tomorrow on) but 1D IV is already outdated?
You really WANT the larger and better than 1D MK IV AF and the faster FPS ...
But you are "not" willing to get those "fantastic benefits" by accepting this new crappy VF?
Is it one or two frames more per second? And of course I understand that the new fantastic AF of 1D X makes it completely impossible to use the best AF up to date any further second ...
We really live in a world full of horrible problems! What means 25k children dieing every day on hunger so long our "want to have" problems are not solved by this industry of "gangsters", who only want to take our money and even do not keep the well working old fashined VF system into the best soon available gear? I am pretty shure, if they would have done anybody would crie: "Hell! They did everything new, but they kept this old stuff instead of using newest technology to make it more flexible!"
This thread gets far to far for me at least. Save your 7K $ this time, Pompo. Instead of purchasing this "want to have because of a 2 FPS advantadge but crappy VF camera" it could be a nice idea to thank Canon and invest the money in feeding and aducate 30 of those kids for one whole year.
p.23 #19 · 5d M III Viewfinder illumination and af points!
geniousc wrote:
I hear yah, but it is what it is and we can't change it. It seems to be a trend in the industry to use this type of screen. The next iteration from Canon may go the other way but only if they lose business and other companies do it. But I'm betting people will adapt.
Adapt to what? Leaving focus up to pure chance in low light conditions? Is Canon's new AF philosophy based on
"Spray and Pray"? I suppose it makes a certain amount of sense as they upped the FPS to 12. Take enough shots and some will bound to be in focus.
p.23 #20 · 5d M III Viewfinder illumination and af points!
I really find it interesting when people compare issues such as this to starving children. If pompo is a professional photographer and his camera functions as it should, maybe he could make more money and contribute to more charitable organizations to feed starving children. And the only thing more moronic than me connecting those dots is you, Ralph, doing the same. What an amazing leap, Ralph. Sheese.
