p.5 #1 · 5D III for alt and MF lenses: a game changer!
Yes, Bob is to blame... now I am spending money tooooo. Order is activated. You are right, not only the focus is easier, the whole picture looks richer, I have the impression from your Zeiss&Mark3 marriage you get beautiful kids
If someone like me has been focusing two years manually only through a small 40D VF and still above 80% keeper rate than this new VF is a piece of cake.
p.5 #2 · 5D III for alt and MF lenses: a game changer!
wayne seltzer wrote:
Thanks, for this link! I found some of his jokes pretty funny, especially the part about the resolution of the D800 being so good that you can zoom in and see Lady Gaga's man sacs!
Kai's reviews are ridiculous and hilarious. I quite like them actually. Very entertaining.
p.5 #3 · 5D III for alt and MF lenses: a game changer!
rji2goleez wrote:
When in LV, half press the shutter until the big rectangle goes green. When it turns green, it indicates AF confirm. It's s-l-o-w! Better than the 5D2 but think of the autofocus of a camcorder . . . I don't use it very much but for static objects or where I am trying to be discrete, it can work well.
mmm ... i must be doing something wrong. My rectangle stays white when in focus?
p.5 #5 · 5D III for alt and MF lenses: a game changer!
I don't understand the complaint about the Rate button (or the changed position of the magnify button). I would find the rate button very useful when shooting hundreds of shots, to earmark the best of a sequence or to act as a sign post for PP. As it is, I struggle to remember THE shots out of a long session, burning up PP time trying to find them sometimes. Much faster to simply select all rated photos in LR, then select one and open up the entire series with filters off to roll on all the shots surrounding the selection. It seems like a time saver to me!
I don't really follow Lloyd and it's probably because of these whiny personal preferences he has.
Robert -- Very nice sharing of your experiences and photos. Thanks so much.
p.5 #6 · 5D III for alt and MF lenses: a game changer!
rji2goleez wrote:
When in LV, half press the shutter until the big rectangle goes green. When it turns green, it indicates AF confirm. It's s-l-o-w! Better than the 5D2 but think of the autofocus of a camcorder . . . I don't use it very much but for static objects or where I am trying to be discrete, it can work well.
I think you have activated Live View "Live" AF, which is contrast based AF. It is slow but generally more accurate than LV "Quick". LV Quick flips down the mirror and uses normal phase detect AF using the selected AF points, then the mirror flips up again. The accuracy of LV Quick is dependent upon your micro adjust accuracy.
LV Live will AF nearly anywhere in the frame, wherever you place the magnification rectangle. As you say it turns green and beeps (if you have that feature tured on) when in focus. Another advantage to LV Live is that it will work with lens combinations of f8. No more taping the pins at f8, simply switch to LV Live and use contrast based AF.
MF Confirm comes from using a MF lens and pressing AF. You can select an AF point if desired. While holding down the AF button manually turn the focus ring on the lens and when
in focus the focus point will light up and the camera will beep.
Mike K
p.5 #11 · 5D III for alt and MF lenses: a game changer!
Great to hear the screen actually works fine for manual focussing!
Almost always agreed with mr. Chambers opinions but I guess nothing is more conclusive than our own hands-on experience...
Apr 03, 2012 at 08:18 AM
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p.5 #12 · 5D III for alt and MF lenses: a game changer!
Marco wrote:
Great to hear the screen actually works fine for manual focussing!
Almost always agreed with mr. Chambers opinions but I guess nothing is more conclusive than our own hands-on experience...
I think if you read the thread carefully what is clear is that the AF confirm function is much improved with the 5D MKIII. What is not clear is how easy it is to focus especially wide aperture shots with the stock screen in the 5D MKIII, and that is probably for a good reason--people differ in the ability to use such screens. For example with the 5D MKI some people were fine with the stock screen and others like myself find the Ee-S screen to be much much easier to use. Still others, however, find the Ee-S screen not to be very helpful. Chuck Westfall, who is a Canon rep, has said that the stock screen on the 5D MKIII should be quite similar to the stock screen on the 5D MKII for manual focussing. This may be fine for some people, but personally I expect it to fall short of what I would like, but I am eager to try it out to see if it exceeds my expectations. I suggest that you try it out too. You may find it works for you, but you may find that it doesn't.
So the fact that Lloyd Chambers didn't find the stock screen in the 5D MKIII all that useful for manual focussing is not that surprising and is not really in conflict with it working fine for others. Such discrepancies are to be expected. Where it seems he might have been hasty in his evaluation is in not noticing the improved capabilities of AF confirmation with the camera.
Apr 03, 2012 at 08:49 AM
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p.5 #13 · 5D III for alt and MF lenses: a game changer!
Steve Spencer wrote:
I think if you read the thread carefully what is clear is that the AF confirm function is much improved with the 5D MKIII. What is not clear is how easy it is to focus especially wide aperture shots with the stock screen in the 5D MKIII, and that is probably for a good reason--people differ in the ability to use such screens. For example with the 5D MKI some people were fine with the stock screen and others like myself find the Ee-S screen to be much much easier to use. Still others, however, find the Ee-S screen not to be very helpful. Chuck Westfall, who is a Canon rep, has said that the stock screen on the 5D MKIII should be quite similar to the stock screen on the 5D MKII for manual focussing. This may be fine for some people, but personally I expect it to fall short of what I would like, but I am eager to try it out to see if it exceeds my expectations. I suggest that you try it out too. You may find it works for you, but you may find that it doesn't.
So the fact that Lloyd Chambers didn't find the stock screen in the 5D MKIII all that useful for manual focussing is not that surprising and is not really in conflict with it working fine for others. Such discrepancies are to be expected. Where it seems he might have been hasty in his evaluation is in not noticing the improved capabilities of AF confirmation with the camera....Show more →
Actually he wrote in his first impressions that the AF confirmation where improved and worked well if using chipped lenses
p.5 #14 · 5D III for alt and MF lenses: a game changer!
Actually Lloyd states "And the green-dot assist cannot be trusted to deliver accurate focus in many cases, even stopped down to f/5.6."
For instance not so well with his 100 MP and 35/1.4 at wider apertures where critical focus is needed.
As for the advise to try the 5D3 out, it was indeed what I suggested with my "I guess nothing is more conclusive than our hands-on experience..."
For instance I found the 5D2 standard screen not so bad, but my right eye too prefers the EG-s screen.
p.5 #15 · 5D III for alt and MF lenses: a game changer!
Marco wrote:
Actually Lloyd states "And the green-dot assist cannot be trusted to deliver accurate focus in many cases, even stopped down to f/5.6."
For instance not so well with his 100 MP and 35/1.4 at wider apertures where critical focus is needed.
But there is a better way to use focus confirmation -- you can make the used focus point light up when best focus is reached, and this should be more accurate (narrower range) than the green dot, if I have understood correctly.
Apr 03, 2012 at 04:22 PM
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p.5 #16 · 5D III for alt and MF lenses: a game changer!
Marco wrote:
Actually Lloyd states "And the green-dot assist cannot be trusted to deliver accurate focus in many cases, even stopped down to f/5.6."
For instance not so well with his 100 MP and 35/1.4 at wider apertures where critical focus is needed.
As for the advise to try the 5D3 out, it was indeed what I suggested with my "I guess nothing is more conclusive than our hands-on experience..."
For instance I found the 5D2 standard screen not so bad, but my right eye too prefers the EG-s screen.
I belive he talk about the non chipped lenses. Because he writes that it works well with some lenses but not with non chipped. And straight after he say that.
And he doesn't say anything about those two lenses.
I also think it's funny that all people in this thread that actually use and own the body, say it works good. But the people that never have used it say the opposite
p.5 #17 · 5D III for alt and MF lenses: a game changer!
Lars Johnsson wrote:
I belive he talk about the non chipped lenses. Because he writes that it works well with some lenses but not with non chipped. And straight after he say that.
And he doesn't say anything about those two lenses.
In his DAP (only available to subscribers) he wrote that the green dot doesn't work at all with non chipped lenses and that (when it works, obviously) it cannot be trusted to deliver accurate focus in many cases.
There are then some examples following, taken with the 100 MP that show the (his) issue.
Lars Johnsson wrote:
I also think it's funny that all people in this thread that actually use and own the body, say it works good. But the people that never have used it say the opposite
I never said the opposite, I just reported Lloyd findings and I'm actually glad if he is proven wrong or, in the case of glass-focussing (which I much prefer to green-dot assistance) if it is just a personal thing.
p.5 #18 · 5D III for alt and MF lenses: a game changer!
Spyro P. wrote:
apologies for not reading the whole thread, have we discussed mirror clearance yet?
Yes, same as 5D-II
Apr 03, 2012 at 05:10 PM
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p.5 #19 · 5D III for alt and MF lenses: a game changer!
Marco wrote:
In his DAP (only available to subscribers) he wrote that the green dot doesn't work at all with non chipped lenses and that (when it works, obviously) it cannot be trusted to deliver accurate focus in many cases.
There are then some examples following, taken with the 100 MP that show the (his) issue.
I never said the opposite, I just reported Lloyd findings and I'm actually glad if he is proven wrong or, in the case of glass-focussing (which I much prefer to green-dot assistance) if it is just a personal thing.
But you forgot the part where he wrote it worked pretty well. And everyone here say it's better than the 5DII for MF.
When the ZE 35/1,4 came out he also wrote that it was incredible difficult to get it in focus. And he always complains on every camera (especially Canon) and every button he is testing. He even complain that the LCD get greasy when you wear sunblock on your nose
Why not try the body and see yourself. Everyone here says it's better for MF than the old version. look what Philber, Bob and others in the thread that uses it write. Philber even started the thread because the MF is so good that he belive it is a game changer..............
What I have been reading in other forums is about the same. People that owns it, say it's at least as good or better than the 5DII for MF. And the people that never have used it say different
p.5 #20 · 5D III for alt and MF lenses: a game changer!
Yep, Lars. Agreed.
Hands-on experience is what counts especially with regards to ergonomics.
I'll try the 5D3 and see for myself. But probably I'll skip this iteration and I'll wait for the next Canon offer later this year. Afterall I'm more than pleased with my 5D2
now I am spending money tooooo. Order is activated. You are right, not only the focus is easier, the whole picture looks richer, I have the impression from your Zeiss&Mark3 marriage you get beautiful kids
