p.2 #1 · Battle of the walkabouts: NEX 7 faces off with 5D II....
SteveF wrote:
I get a little frustrated with the delay when I put the nex7 evf to my eye before it turns on. There is a small sensor I can tape over to leave it on - need to do this.
Bracketing on the 7 is just lame.
Other than that, for me, files from the 7 with the zeiss 25 are amazing, as I think your samples show. It is quite a camera.
I've heard that taping the eye sensor doesn't work, for some reason, but I haven't tried it myself. Do you have the camera set to manual always be set to EVF? Or, does you have it set to switch back and forth between the LCD and EVF automatically. The former has better EVF response time.
p.2 #4 · Battle of the walkabouts: NEX 7 faces off with 5D II....
Beautiful shots that 25 Zeiss is something else. I shot with the Canon 24 1.4 ll when I was in Paris last year, nothing like that. Wish you hadn't shown me these now I have to get a new lens and go back to Paris. Can't wait to see the outcome of the tests. I now have a NEX 7 and would take that .
p.2 #5 · Battle of the walkabouts: NEX 7 faces off with 5D II....
Shooting with my 5d (classic) and NEX 5N side by side I usually prefer the output from the 5d, not sure if its the FF or what, but I usually prefer the images from it.
p.2 #7 · Battle of the walkabouts: NEX 7 faces off with 5D II....
philber wrote:
2. System performance. This is where matters get very tricky. The 5D II has a wealth of Canon glass, plus alternatives like Sigma and Tamron, and the high-end Zeiss ZE.
So has the NEX-7...In fact the NEX-7 actually has a far bigger choice of lenses via E-mount adapters than any Canon EF mount camera.
philber wrote:
The NEX 7 was at first received as a shock to many. So many class-leading specs for such a small and inexpensive package. The came the bad news. The 7 couldn't handle wide lenses. .
Do you mean it could'nt handle native Sony wide lenses or it cant handle wide lenses period?
If its the latter I will be extremely supprised. If its the former though then surely the solution is very obvious...Use third party lenses and older manual focus lenses via E-mount adapters instead. You can even get an EF-E mount adapter so you can use the exact same lenses on your NEX and your 5D MkII
philber wrote:
Then worse news, the 7 is a tricky, demanding camera. So what is my take? Yes the 7 is demanding. You can't be a happy-go-lucky spray-and-pray shooter and expect top performance every time.
Why not? If your standing in one spot and have a subject that is staying the same distance away, once you have the focus spot on what would there be to stop you using the full 10 FPS? Would there be a huge variation between shots for some reason?
As for your samples...They are far too small to tell anything meaningfull, except that with the first subject the NEX sample was overexposed compared to the MkII sample and with the second subject the NEX sample was underexposed compared to the MkII sample...Thats about it.
What you need to do is take 100% crops of various high detail parts of each subject and then save them at them native size (dont resize them at all). Post these along with the images you have already posted here. That way we can all pixel peep parts of each sample as though we were being shown the full sized images, and you only have to post a few additional crops which will have a much smaller filesize than the full sized samples
p.2 #8 · Battle of the walkabouts: NEX 7 faces off with 5D II....
Philippe - I love this. Having met you in person and getting a chance to 'know' you makes reading your assessment all the more fascinating. I found myself comparing what's important to me with what's important to you. I also found myself leaning one way versus another. Just today, I started my own less than scientific experimentation to compare my beloved Zeiss ZE glass (35mm f/1.4) on my 1D Mark IV with my recent jewel of a purchase, the CV35/1.2 v2 on my NEX-5N. I am no where near ready to do a report such as you and I am not considering moving to solely the NEX system. However, I do note that I have shot my NEX exclusively for the past two weeks only picking up my Canon today for the first time. While in my heart and head, I like to think that my Canon 5DII and 1DIV with ZEs beat all when it comes to gallery exhibit subject matter shooting but then again, I'm realizing that the images I'm getting out of my NEX-5N w/CV35/1.2 rival any I have taken before.
Bottom line is that it's fun to read your journey, hear your perspective and learn from it and compare it with my own. As you said from the start, opinions will range all over the board. I know I don't feel the same way as you with some of your conclusions but of course, that's OK. Thanks my friend!
p.2 #9 · Battle of the walkabouts: NEX 7 faces off with 5D II....
Thanks for posting this Philber, it's kind of hard for me to see if there is any smearing with the 7 & ZM at this size & the screen I'm using, what do you see with the full size images?
p.2 #10 · Battle of the walkabouts: NEX 7 faces off with 5D II....
The NEX-7 images have nice colour and nice tonality. However I would never select a camera on this alone as there are to many variables to ths e.g. Lightroom profiles.
I can see that the NEX-7 is a nice little camera. However I wouldn't sell all my Canon kit solely for the Sony. I would want both!
p.2 #11 · Battle of the walkabouts: NEX 7 faces off with 5D II....
Yep, I sold my entire A900 system over a year ago for NEX with rangefinder lenses. The relatively small differences in IQ weren't worth the size, and the A900 just sat on the shelf after a while. Admittedly, I had gotten out of studio photography, and the A900 makes much more sense for that type of work.
p.2 #12 · Battle of the walkabouts: NEX 7 faces off with 5D II....
I share philber's doubts concerning dipping EOS in favour of NEX,but bigger sensor will always have some meaningful (at least for me) advantages over APS-C.Let someone issue decent FF mirrorless and all my SLRs are gone.
p.2 #13 · Battle of the walkabouts: NEX 7 faces off with 5D II....
Peire wrote:
I share philber's doubts concerning dipping EOS in favour of NEX,but bigger sensor will always have some meaningful (at least for me) advantages over APS-C.Let someone issue decent FF mirrorless and all my SLRs are gone.
p.2 #15 · Battle of the walkabouts: NEX 7 faces off with 5D II....
Very interesting Philippe. Had you asked me a year ago, I would have said (among other things based on the samples you posted) that the 5DII was the obvious choice. Since then however I have come around more to the opinion that the process is more important than the results (at least if it's a hobby) - i.e how much you enjoy using a camera is more important than final image IQ.
Makten wrote:
I've just bought an NEX-5N, and for me the degradation of IQ is worth it. I just hate large cameras.
Oh my. I'm guessing I should start a betting pool on how many days (hours?) you'll keep that one I would not bet on a high number. Apart from the small size, I think a NEX is really the antithesis of what you consider a camera that is fun to use. But I guess we'll see
p.2 #16 · Battle of the walkabouts: NEX 7 faces off with 5D II....
denoir wrote:
Oh my. I'm guessing I should start a betting pool on how many days (hours?) you'll keep that one I would not bet on a high number. Apart from the small size, I think a NEX is really the antithesis of what you consider a camera that is fun to use. But I guess we'll see
Yes, we'll see. I got tired of the M8 when my THREE batteries died on me when I was out shooting at +5°C, and I couldn't bring them alive no matter how long they stayed in my warm pockets.
I really can't see any camera on the market that fits my needs, but the 5N comes pretty close except for the tiny sensor. I'll probably try to wait and use what I got for the moment, which at least is a bunch of nice lenses. I've ordered a Voigtländer 15/4.5 as a wider complement to the 28/2 Summicron, which is my to-go lens.
p.2 #18 · Battle of the walkabouts: NEX 7 faces off with 5D II....
Kit Laughlin wrote:
@Makten: you will love this lens; that and the CV 12/5.6 are the unsung heroes of the LTM/M mount lenses, in my experience.
Yeah, that's why I chose it! I felt that 12 mm would be too wide and 21 is too close to 28.
But the low speed could be a problem. And I have to get a better adapter, because the chinese crap I got now is way too thin (infinity is at the 5 m mark) and doesn't feel very safe with expensive lenses. Plus it doesn't line up with the mount, so the nice square hood of the Summicron looks really stupid because of a severe tilt.
p.2 #20 · Battle of the walkabouts: NEX 7 faces off with 5D II....
Makten wrote:
Yes, we'll see. I got tired of the M8 when my THREE batteries died on me when I was out shooting at +5°C, and I couldn't bring them alive no matter how long they stayed in my warm pockets.
Ouch, yeah that sucks. I haven't had any problems with the M9 in that respect - including in -25°C up in Arvidsjaur.
I really can't see any camera on the market that fits my needs, but the 5N comes pretty close except for the tiny sensor. I'll probably try to wait and use what I got for the moment, which at least is a bunch of nice lenses.
That's the funny thing - on paper a NEX would be an almost ideal camera for you (except for the sensor size), but I still think you will hate it. It's the exact opposite in feel to a classic film camera. As far as image quality goes, it's OK. More than OK in fact. But it's design isn't for everyone - definitely not for me and I don't think for you either. But, hey, I may be completely wrong
I would not bet on a high number. Apart from the small size, I think a NEX is really the antithesis of what you consider a camera that is fun to use. But I guess we'll see 