I have the 1d IV and it's great. I use it with a 1ds II for weddings, portraits etc. I am getting the 5d3 to replace the 1ds II because I feel it compliments the 1d IV and will give me the best of both worlds.
Only disadvantage of mk IV to me is size/weight and crop factor, I am shooting landscapes and prefer FF for this. Otherwise 1D is always better body, faster and more precise AF, real weather-sealing, longer shutter life, longer battery life etc.
stargazer78 wrote:
Most likely, the new A.I. Servo III algorithm used by the 1DX (and 5D3) requires far more complex calculations than the algorithm used by the 1D4.
How different are the 1DX and 1DIV AF algorithms (based upon what we know) ?
RobertLynn wrote:
How different are the 1DX and 1DIV AF algorithms (based upon what we know) ?
I really don't think anyone knows much about this yet... The 1DX just hasn't been available for any serious reviews yet? Looks as though the 5d3 will be available before the 1dX.
alexhibbert wrote:
I know this is based on specs and previews, but anyhow....
In the UK a 1DIV and a 5D3 (with grip) aren't too far apart price-wise, so is there actually any reason to take the 1D over the 5D? I actually put in an order a couple of days ago for the 1DIV but have swapped it for a 5D3 preorder.
5D3 has advantages:
22MP
Digic 5
FF
Low noise apparently
1DIV has advantages:
Slightly better weather sealing
A few more fps
Dedicated processor for AF
Both have:
Vertical shutter button (when grip is used)
61-pt AF
So, unless you NEED 10fps over 6fps, only shoot with telephotos or plan on working in a shower, surely the new-tech of the 5D3 is a no-brainer? Have I missed something?...Show more →
"Slightly" better water sealing?
The 5D II and 5D III are varieties over the same theme. None of these have pro-grade water sealing. I saw the 5D III yesterday, it is an "enthusiast" grade body - nothing less and nothing more.
The 1D IV is a very different animal. It has 45 AF points, not 61. However, separate processors for autofocus and data throughput means better ability in focus tracking - regardless of frame rate which is also higher on the 1D IV. But the twin processors are of greater significance.
The 1D IV has 70 serious sealings in the whole construction. It has neoprene which seal the battery and memory card compartments, whereas the 5D III has nothing of the sort and only cell foam to "protect" the battery and mem card doors.
The 1D IV, like the 1D III before it, is a superior wildlife camera. With my 1D III and 1D IV I regularly get 4000-7000 exposures (depending on temperature and AF and IS use) on one battery before I have to charge again.
Built-in vertical grip and a better balanced and more durable body, and both the 1D III and 1D IV has a mechanism that is tested to withstand 300 000 shutter actuations - which is exactly twice as many as the 5D II and 5D III.
It seems that a lot of people do not fully understand the differences between a "pro"grade body and the others and what these imply. I do not mean to be offensive, but the pro grade tool will be appreciated by anyone who uses his or her camera frequently and in all sorts of weather and in a variety of photographic situations. Whether or not you are a professional.
I don't buy the '1D is professional and 5D is enthusiast' argument. It just doesn't wash. Both are just tools and lots of pros use 5Ds. 1D snobbery can be a real distraction here (I do know as I went from the 1D to 5D series a while back. You do miss the 1D ownership for an intangible reason).
To make this decision based on facts rather than sentiment, see below. As has been said endlessly, yes, if you shoot field sports or little fast flying birds then the cropped 1D with dual processors and 10fps is likely to win. Unless a single factor is totally vital for you, an overall average of features is useful for the rest of us:
(note, a couple of items should probably have been merged (e.g. inc and ex VAT prices) but even if you roughly halve the number of 5D 'wins', it's 6 vs 4 and an overall win for the 5D)
Another thing to consider cost-wise, is that the 5D3 is currently at RRP and will stay there for a while. The 1D4 has dropped to a plateau from its RRP and the high cost of the 1DX probably won't affect that too much. So in terms of depreciation, it might be cleverer to buy a 1D4 now (if you need a body like I do. My 5D2 had an unfortunate experience with water) and then maybe revisit in 12 months or so when the 5D2 price has settled and the 1D4 resale price probably hasn't dropped too aggressively.
alexhibbert wrote:
I don't buy the '1D is professional and 5D is enthusiast' argument. It just doesn't wash. Both are just tools and lots of pros use 5Ds. 1D snobbery can be a real distraction here (I do know as I went from the 1D to 5D series a while back. You do miss the 1D ownership for an intangible reason).
To make this decision based on facts rather than sentiment, see below. As has been said endlessly, yes, if you shoot field sports or little fast flying birds then the cropped 1D with dual processors and 10fps is likely to win. Unless a single factor is totally vital for you, an overall average of features is useful for the rest of us:
(note, a couple of items should probably have been merged (e.g. inc and ex VAT prices) but even if you roughly halve the number of 5D 'wins', it's 6 vs 4 and an overall win for the 5D)...Show more →
I like how in your little graph, if the 1D beats the 5D, you don't put a little comment, but for the 5D you do. You also have the idea that MORE AF sensors is better. Are they? Have you used it yet? We don't know yet. Given that it's not full blown 1DX AF, I'd be willing to be that they place this behind the 1DIV in AF realm.
The comment by the shutter rating is laughable as well.
RobertLynn wrote:
I like how in your little graph, if the 1D beats the 5D, you don't put a little comment, but for the 5D you do. You also have the idea that MORE AF sensors is better. Are they? Have you used it yet? We don't know yet. Given that it's not full blown 1DX AF, I'd be willing to be that they place this behind the 1DIV in AF realm.
The comment by the shutter rating is laughable as well.
?? There are comments by both types of outcome, 1D or 5D.... I'm on the fence here and am not gunning for one series of cameras vs. another. That's the point of the thread. Choosing.
More AF points is better, yes, since you can choose fewer should you want to. Having the option and spread of more is good. I've used 1D, 7D and 5D bodies so have a feel for various types of AF.
If the 5D3 AF will be crippled to stop it competing with the 1D series, I haven't seen evidence for this, except the 1 processor vs 2 processors.
Not even sure I know why I bothered to reply to your own 'laughable' post. Others have managed to remain objective.
"Achieving this speed and accuracy in the AF algorithm requires a large amount of focus data to be processed quickly. This has been done by the use of distributed processing where both a dedicated AF processor and a camera CPU process data. The dedicated AF processor is four times faster than the one found in the EOS-1D Mark IV."
"Achieving this speed and accuracy in the AF algorithm requires a large amount of focus data to be processed quickly. This has been done by the use of distributed processing where both a dedicated AF processor and a camera CPU process data. The dedicated AF processor is four times faster than the one found in the EOS-1D Mark IV."
That is enormously interesting.... so we have a Digic 5+ and another 5+, 5, 4? That makes the allure of the 1D4 even less well founded for my style of shooting (lifestyle to expeditions to wildlife etc. but not little birds or field sports)
You guys in the UK must have good prices on the bodies? In the US the 5d3 is $3500 and grip is $500 making it $4000 without taxes and the 1d4 is still around $5000, but you can find good used ones around $4000. Also your shots per battery is way off on the 1d4-it should be around 4000 per charge. I would say your spreadsheet makes it look like you are going for the 5d3. I am planning on picking up a used 1d4 after the x comes out. Don't have much desire for the 5d3 if the price stays where Canon has placed it. My 5d2 serves me fine for studio/portrait work.
2 different bodies generally for different uses. Yes, you can cross use them but the compromises begin to mount. At the end of the day, its a personal choice we all have to make regarding which best suits our needs. Remember its about how and what you shoot.
schlotz wrote:
2 different bodies generally for different uses. Yes, you can cross use them but the compromises begin to mount. At the end of the day, its a personal choice we all have to make regarding which best suits our needs. Remember its about how and what you shoot.
Thanks for the input but I'm not entirely sure what it's supposed to mean. Just because a 1D4 is aimed mainly at sports photographers and PJs doesn't mean it doesn't work for other applications.
And yes, it's a personal choice, but the whole point of a forum is to gather opinions and experiences.
schlotz wrote:
2 different bodies generally for different uses. Yes, you can cross use them but the compromises begin to mount. At the end of the day, its a personal choice we all have to make regarding which best suits our needs. Remember its about how and what you shoot.
alexhibbert wrote:
?? There are comments by both types of outcome, 1D or 5D.... I'm on the fence here and am not gunning for one series of cameras vs. another. That's the point of the thread. Choosing.
More AF points is better, yes, since you can choose fewer should you want to. Having the option and spread of more is good. I've used 1D, 7D and 5D bodies so have a feel for various types of AF.
If the 5D3 AF will be crippled to stop it competing with the 1D series, I haven't seen evidence for this, except the 1 processor vs 2 processors.
Not even sure I know why I bothered to reply to your own 'laughable' post. Others have managed to remain objective....Show more →
Read the comment by the shutter life...It's as if the difference isn't huge. But a stupid 3.2 vs 3.0 lcd is.
? Looks as though the 5d3 will be available before the 1dX.