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p.1 #1 · Bad Case: Battery Explosion


This happened a few weeks back.

Battery i used wirh 1D Mk III:

I bought this Lenmar Battery as a spare to use with my 1D Mk III.
First copy was dead after second charge cycle. I took it back to a vendor (very reputable here in Helsinki)

This second copy worked well after two or three charges, then it started to bleed empty quite quickly. So i did not use it for a while.
An assignment outdoors (freezing cold) made me think that i need a spare to use if original is going to run out. So i put it in a Canon original charger i use regularly. I did this early in the morning while editing my previous work.
Got tired, and had to take a nap.

I woke up briefly in a pretty loud "thud" which i thought to be just some mail or something. I donīt know how long i slept before i woke up in a screaming noise which came from a smoke detector. First i thought i had something boiled over in a kitchen and took a chair to reach and silence detector right in next to our bedroom.
I did not smell a thing at the moment.

Still drowsy after sleep i realized it was not this detector which was loud but the other one in the hall so i walked over there.
That very moment i saw flames on our study room floor. There was my gym bag burnig. Flames were about 30 inch high and i saw them spreading fast right next to a pile of clothes hanging there.

The room was very dark at the moment. I grabbed a towel right next to me and managed to put down the fire. I could not breathe in there so i had to go to a next room to get some air.
After some deep breaths i went to open the windows to get rid of the smoke and check all the flames had gone out.
There was soot and pieces of burned metal foil all over the room.

Some pictures here of that unfortunate battery (or what is left of it)

http://kuvamaa.pp.fi/fm/IMG_3085.jpg

http://kuvamaa.pp.fi/fm/IMG_3078.jpg

http://kuvamaa.pp.fi/fm/IMG_3079.jpg

http://kuvamaa.pp.fi/fm/IMG_3090.jpg

http://kuvamaa.pp.fi/fm/IMG_3091.jpg

http://kuvamaa.pp.fi/fm/IMG_3084.jpg

http://kuvamaa.pp.fi/fm/IMG_3067.jpg

Iīm haunted by the idea that my 10 year old son had been home alone with this...

Long story short; Get Smoke Detector. It worked for me.






Feb 29, 2012 at 06:48 PM
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p.1 #2 · Bad Case: Battery Explosion


Talk to a lawyer about suing. Chance may bring you an unlucky product, but that doesn't mean that one that bad should be allowed through their quality control. Usually litigation is a last resort, but when it is this bad, don't rule it out.

Ask around, with Lenmar in the thread titles, on multiple boards if anyone else has had a similar experience. Might be a single isolated incident, but maybe not ....



Feb 29, 2012 at 06:51 PM
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p.1 #3 · Bad Case: Battery Explosion


Lithium fires like this have brought down a few freighter 747s recently, nasty stuff.


Feb 29, 2012 at 07:00 PM
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p.1 #4 · Bad Case: Battery Explosion


yikes!
good thing no one was injured.
good thing it wasn't in the 1d3 at the time.

if I understand correct, it was no longer on the charger?
how long after the charge did this happen?



Feb 29, 2012 at 07:05 PM
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p.1 #5 · Bad Case: Battery Explosion


gpop wrote:
yikes!
good thing no one was injured.
good thing it wasn't in the 1d3 at the time.

if I understand correct, it was no longer on the charger?
how long after the charge did this happen?


It was on/in the charger, you canīt charge it in-camera.
This happened after 3-5 hours after i put it in.

Sorry my "incomplete" english. Not native



Feb 29, 2012 at 07:13 PM
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p.1 #6 · Bad Case: Battery Explosion


You were very fortunate, and it's a warning to all that batteries can become dangerous. I'm learning more & more about that after starting back into radio control where electric power has become very popular, but brings similar fires both while flying, charging & even while in storage.


Feb 29, 2012 at 07:53 PM
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p.1 #7 · Bad Case: Battery Explosion


Lithium-ion batteries are not toys. When a battery shows the warning signs (20% loss of capacity, will not hold a charge, will not power the device reliably, any deformations, etc.) it should be retired right away. If the battery is ever over-charged or over-discharged, it should be retired right away.

Do not try to save a battery that is starting to 'go bad', it's not worth the risk.

Also never charge the battery unattended, never use the battery below freezing and warm up the battery to at least 10C and preferably around 20C before use when working in a cold environment.

Consumer grade Li-ions are supposed to have a protection IC that stops some of these things, overcharge, overdischarge, etc. but counterfeit ICs from China are a growing problem, or the batteries may be mis-assembled or missing the IC altogether.

Also treat Li-ion battery fires as a Class D fire, it had probably already burnt through the lithium by the time you go to it but using a water or general purpose fire extinguisher on a lithium fire can make the fire worse. If all you have is a normal fire extinguisher, your best option is to try to contain the fire (stop it from spreading) and let it burn itself out.

I remember one particular speed event I was at, an electric motorbike powered by lithium-ion batteries, his second run he pushed it a little too hard and the battery caught fire halfway through his speed run. Fortunately the rider survived, but the battery and his bike, it burnt for 15 minutes and we could not put it out, just had to let it burn and stop it from spreading.



Feb 29, 2012 at 08:04 PM
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p.1 #8 · Bad Case: Battery Explosion


timpdx wrote:
Lithium fires like this have brought down a few freighter 747s recently, nasty stuff.


There was one 747 which had a fire and crashed. It had lithium batteries on board, but the cause of the fire will never be determined.

Which others crashed? I review all the 747 crashes and did not see another similar one?



Feb 29, 2012 at 08:25 PM
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p.1 #9 · Bad Case: Battery Explosion


Ouch! I've had a couple batteries go bad and heat up. One was a Sony laptop battery: didn't explode but melted and warped the case. My ancient iPod Nano actually burned briefly after a small explosion that split the case open and blackened the carpet. It was 6 or 7 years old and Apple gave me a new one. Still a bad feeling and things could have got much worse.

Edited on Feb 29, 2012 at 08:30 PM · View previous versions



Feb 29, 2012 at 08:27 PM
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p.1 #10 · Bad Case: Battery Explosion


Exactly why I would never use 3-rd party battery for expensive camera or anything else. I know someone who got burned by cell phone battery explosion and fire as well.


Feb 29, 2012 at 08:29 PM
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p.1 #11 · Bad Case: Battery Explosion


An Asiana 744 went down off S. Korea in July of last year, and lithium batteries are suspected, was carrying lots of electronic gear, but, as you say, highly suspected, but not totally proven.

Little known fact is that you are now supposed to cover your contacts with Li batteries when you fly, as per the FAA, probably nobody does this, and I certainly have not been stopped for it, but it is a regulation now.

Here is a list of incidents (both in flight and in cargo facilities), quite a few, that the FAA put out regarding a whole bunch of battery suspected incident in regards to flying: http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ash/ash_programs/hazmat/aircarrier_info/media/Battery_incident_chart.pdf



Feb 29, 2012 at 08:31 PM
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p.1 #12 · Bad Case: Battery Explosion


Yikes, at least the damage was not as bad as it could have been!

I suspect you will buy original Nikon-branded batteries next time.

EBH



Feb 29, 2012 at 08:33 PM
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p.1 #13 · Bad Case: Battery Explosion


Wow, that was a pretty violent explosion alright! Granted that it was a generic brand battery but that's scary. Is that not why both Canon and Nikon introduced a new type of battery for their top of the line cameras? I understood that it is not to increase the capacity but to prevent some electrical problems that could lead to similar incidents described here...


Feb 29, 2012 at 08:34 PM
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p.1 #14 · Bad Case: Battery Explosion


Wait, you are a Finn, no? Imperial units, hell yeah!
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PasiM wrote:
This happened a few weeks back.
... Flames were about 30 inch high


Or are you a subversive, measuring disasters in imperial and successes in metric? :P

(edit: I of course should communicate my concern for what happened and I'm glad there was no lasting issue for the things in life that are important!)


Edited on Feb 29, 2012 at 09:11 PM · View previous versions



Feb 29, 2012 at 08:40 PM
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p.1 #15 · Bad Case: Battery Explosion


Holy Moley! Good example of why smoke detectors are a must-have for your home.

I used Lenmars in my older 1DII bodies and im my new Fujifilm X100, but I stuck with Canon for the new gen batteries in my 1DsIII, 1DIII and 1DIV bodies.



Feb 29, 2012 at 08:42 PM
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p.1 #16 · Bad Case: Battery Explosion


1Ds II used NiMH, which rarely fail catastrophically unless seriouskly overcharged or shorted.

EBH



Feb 29, 2012 at 08:43 PM
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p.1 #17 · Bad Case: Battery Explosion


Yikes! That sure is a scary site to wake up to... thank goodness for smoke detectors; I'm sure it could have been much, much worse.


Feb 29, 2012 at 08:46 PM
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p.1 #18 · Bad Case: Battery Explosion


Sorry for your sake, that's a bad incident and no doubt scary as hell. This gives me pause; I just acquired a 1diii and was considering 3rd party like Lenmar for a back-up battery. Glad no one was hurt!
-Cam



Feb 29, 2012 at 08:49 PM
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p.1 #19 · Bad Case: Battery Explosion


EB-1 wrote:
1Ds II used NiMH, which rarely fail catastrophically unless seriouskly overcharged or shorted.
EBH

Yeah those were safer but as consumers demanded more capacity, better performance, nearly everything is lithium now.

Go onto youtube and search for 'exploding laptop' there are no shortage of these types of events.

1st party batteries are generally your best bet, but they aren't foolproof with the rise in counterfeit ICs coming out of China. Be sure to pay attention to any recalls and other notices, etc.



Feb 29, 2012 at 08:52 PM
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p.1 #20 · Bad Case: Battery Explosion


Access wrote:
Yeah those were safer but as consumers demanded more capacity, better performance, nearly everything is lithium now.


Of course, I'm not suggesting we revert to that.

EBH



Feb 29, 2012 at 08:58 PM
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