curious80 wrote:
Based on the size comparisons that I have seen, k-01 is clearly smaller than pentax k-r and k-r itself is one of the smallerst APS-C DSLRs around. There is no way I would replace a k-5 with a k-01. But as a companion of a k-5, I will definitely consider k-01 instead of the k-r. It is actually somewhat smaller than even a GH2. Sure GH2 is not the smallest mirror-less by any chance. But the point is that it is a pretty small k-mount camera. And combined with the set of compact lenses that pentax has, it can be a pretty attractive option for those who don't intend to buy a second mirror-less system and its own set of lenses in addition to their DSLR system. ...Show more →
I guess. I just don't see the size savings as being all that great, especially considering the depths of the K-01 and Pentax DSLRs are so similar. I'm trying to imagine a bag setup that would hold two camera bodies: a K-5 and something else. Really, only the height of the prism is what makes the K-5 noticeably bigger, so it'd be interesting to see a bag that held a K-5 and a K-01 +lenses, but not 2 K-5s + lenses.
douglasf13 wrote:
I guess. I just don't see the size savings as being all that great, especially considering the depths of the K-01 and Pentax DSLRs are so similar. I'm trying to imagine a bag setup that would hold two camera bodies: a K-5 and something else. Really, only the height of the prism is what makes the K-5 noticeably bigger, so it'd be interesting to see a bag that held a K-5 and a K-01 +lenses, but not 2 K-5s + lenses.
At least in my case the reason to have the k-01 would not be to take a bag with k-5, k-01 and a bunch of lenses. For me it would be be used on places where I don't take my k-5. k-01 + 40 limited on it, with 70 limited, and either the 21mm or 15mm will be a pretty capable and compact setup. But of course it is all hypothetical. Obviously I haven't seen one in person so it could be that you are right and the advantage is not that much.
Cool, I'll be curious to hear when you get to try one out. It doesn't seem to me that the space savings would be that noticeable over the K-5, but I guess we'll know soon enough.
Cool, I'll be curious to hear when you get to try one out. It doesn't seem to me that the space savings would be that noticeable over the K-5, but I guess we'll know soon enough.
Bifurcator wrote:
I dig the camera and the concept! Pentax is staying true to their mount and should be applauded!
Personally I'm not digging the design.
I'd applaud them if they included a viewfinder in that body. Perhaps as you say a follow-up model will get more serious and include such amenities as a finder.
Maybe the rumored K-9 model, purported to be designed by Rufus Alsatian, won't be such a, er, dog.
Bifurcator wrote:
I dig the camera and the concept! Pentax is staying true to their mount and should be applauded!
michaelwatkins wrote:
Personally I'm not digging the design.
I'd applaud them if they included a viewfinder in that body. Perhaps as you say a follow-up model will get more serious and include such amenities as a finder.
Maybe the rumored K-9 model, purported to be designed by Rufus Alsatian, won't be such a, er, dog.
I can understand that. But for me I actually can't tell without holding the camera. The Nex cameras for example look great in photographs - yet in person - in my hand they're the worst crap in the world! The menu system looks like it's designed by Fisher-Price or some other pre-school caterer. For me it's just plain bad! So maybe the K-01 will be the inverse... I just dunno till I hold one. But like I say, some of the pics look appealing to me. Some don't too tho. Functionally speaking I have to agree, only a group of tards would design a mirrorless camera without an EVF. Sony! And I was somewhat shocked when Olympus released their system with a separate EVF which is only barely acceptable IMO. At least Sony had the smarts to follow along with that.
michaelwatkins wrote:
Personally I'm not digging the design.
I understand the design.
It's about making so many people say they hate it, so that many others will buy it just to state their different-ness.
It's a post modern concept
Bifurcator wrote:
All Pentax lenses can be mounted on this camera! Pentax lenses are some of the finest lenses there are AND they keep them priced reasonably across almost all models! Something that can't really be said for every lens maker!
but all the pentax lenses can be mounted on µ4/3, samsung NX, or NEX, and some of those cameras have viewfinders and/or articulated screens. those cameras can also take all canon, nikon, olympus (OM or pen f), leica R, c/y, rollei, etc lenses. the new pentax mirrorless can only take a few of those and not the rangefinder lenses that µ4/3 and the NEX can take.
Not officially no, they can not. That some "hackers" made adapters to allow it isn't really in question at all - or shouldn't be for this part of the discussion. A camera company's commitment to a mount system is a pretty important thing. I shouldn't have to tell you that.
Bifurcator wrote:
Not officially no, they can not. That some "hackers" made adapters to allow it isn't really in question at all - or shouldn't be for this part of the discussion. A camera company's commitment to a mount system is a pretty important thing. I shouldn't have to tell you that.
actually, officially sony said ~"we're surprised and delighted to see the different lenses people are putting on our NEX cameras and we're going to open the system and work with adapter makers to make this as easy as possible". i don't believe panny, olympus, or samsung have said done anything similar, but i haven't been following as closely.
quite frankly i don't care about officialness though, i care about ease. e.g. i care that manual focus nikkor lenses tend to actually be easier to use on canon cameras than on nikon cameras and that manual focus pentax lenses will be easier to use on NEX cameras than on this new pentax camera.
also, i don't care at all about a company's commitment to a mount because i don't have any commitment to a mount. if you're buying into a system though, it's very important.
Very nice build quality. "Chunky" is right re: the body and controls, but they have a reassuring tactile feel. The grip isn't as comfortable to hold as the K-5's (what is?), but the ribbed rubber makes it easy to hang on to.
The camera's overall operation (UI, etc) is very quick—noticeably quicker than my K-5. IQ looked good on the LCD... didn't get a chance to save any images. AF is quick with all the FA and DA Limiteds I tried it with—not really any difference from the K-5's PDAF in terms of speed that I noticed. Focus peaking is good, but not as good as the Sony implementation. It's hard to really explain why... I think the Sony shows more pixilation around the peaked areas, whereas the Pentax shows a sort of uniform outline that doesn't give as precise a feeling.
Bifurcator: Pentax lens pricing is awful and has been since the great price jump in 2007 which saw many lenses double in price and most others jump 50%. Pentax no longer has a single cheap-but-good prime left in their line. The DA L 35/2.4, the cheapest Pentax prime, lists for more than the Nikkor or Sony 35/1.8's despite being a stop slower (it usually sells for less on a discount, but list price remains the same or higher). The DA* 16-50 has only recently come back down to the point where its discounted (not MSRP) price is a mere $100 more than the Sony 16-50, which is at least as good (and has significantly better AF, with real ring-type USM instead of the micromotor USM the DA* has). The pricing and lack of good fast ~normal lenses is one of the two major reasons I left Pentax for Sony (the other being EVF's, which I greatly prefer for APS-C cameras).
As to the K0-1, aside from including SR (which I miss on my NEX), it's little more than a K-5 with no viewfinder or mirror. Pentax could easily have done a lot better, frankly a rebadged GXR with a K module would have made more sense than the K0-1
mawz wrote:
As to the K0-1, aside from including SR (which I miss on my NEX), it's little more than a K-5 with no viewfinder or mirror. Pentax could easily have done a lot better, frankly a rebadged GXR with a K module would have made more sense than the K0-1
deadwolfbones wrote:
Focus peaking is good, but not as good as the Sony implementation. It's hard to really explain why... I think the Sony shows more pixilation around the peaked areas, whereas the Pentax shows a sort of uniform outline that doesn't give as precise a feeling.
Yay, the good news is that it includes a peaking focus assist, joining the ranks of the Sony NEX and Ricoh GXR. (Any others I've missed?) I wonder if it includes more than one mode, a la GXR which has two different modes of focus peaking.
The bad news: no EVF optional or otherwise, which takes away from the focus peaking positive.
