edwardkaraa wrote:
Reflecta released last year their 120 scanner, but it's not cheap at 2000$. Plustek will release their 120 model any day. No idea about the price though.
Reckon these new scanners will be better than a Nikon 9000?
carstenw wrote:
I wonder if IMAX would die without Kodak?
IMAX made a big push a couple years ago to move to digital projectors. These IMAX theaters don't project 70mm film. I think they use two 2k projectors together. It's really not the same thing as the 'old school' IMAX. More can be found on wiki. I'm guessing this version of IMAX will survive.
The real IMAX cameras and projected films will probably go the way of the dodo, at least new ones, if/when Kodak stops making film. I don't think Fuji makes 70mm motion film. I'm not sure though. I guess once digital progresses to the point where you have 8k cameras and projectors, you'll be able to do a 'close enough' substitute to the film IMAX experience. I'm not sure of the exact numbers, but those sound about right - I'm pretty sure VFX work for IMAX movies is done at 8k.
espressogeek wrote:
Reckon these new scanners will be better than a Nikon 9000?
I don't think so. The Reflecta scans at 3200 dpi and has a lower Dmax than the Nikon. Plustek has some incredible scanning resolution that doesn't really make any sense, around 16000 dpi if I'm not mistaken, but in reality their optics are not that good. One thing that I love about Reflecta scanners is that they get the colors right, better than the Nikon IMHO, and the optics are not too bad.
as pointed out earlier, the movie industry is doing its best to kill distribution by film as fast as possible with there effectively being no film projectors left in North America by the end of 2013 and by the end of 2014 in Western Europe. worldwide, they are about 50% complete out of about 125K total screens as of the end of 2011. even the art film theaters are being forced to convert or die by being starved of content to show.
Herb...
kidtexas wrote:
Last I heard, Kodak's film group was still profitable. So they are making it work. However, if demand continues to drop in a way they can't navigate, that could easily change.
I especially like this statement by Jean-Luc Godard:
"The so-called "digital" is not a mere technical medium, but a medium of thought. And when modern democracies turn technical thought into a separate domain, those modern democracies incline towards totalitarianism"
It seems we will not have the luxury of choice. Digital will be imposed on all, like it or not.
HerbChong wrote:
as pointed out earlier, the movie industry is doing its best to kill distribution by film as fast as possible with there effectively being no film projectors left in North America by the end of 2013 and by the end of 2014 in Western Europe. worldwide, they are about 50% complete out of about 125K total screens as of the end of 2011. even the art film theaters are being forced to convert or die by being starved of content to show.
Thanks Edward, for mentioning about Plustek's upcoming 120 model. I had read some vague mention of it a while ago but I didn't know they were so close to release. The Reflecta (Pacific Image) option is not getting good reviews but I have hope for the Plustek based on mostly positive reviews of their 35mm models. As someone whose shot only a couple rolls of film aside from my parents' point-n-shoots when I was small, I keep telling myself I want to try more. I would prefer to scan myself but I couldn't justify the cost for a 35mm-only scanner so I'm hoping for at least a semi-reasonably priced 120 scanner with decent quality build and output.
Sorry for the off-topic.
As for Kodak, I'm disappointed it has come to this even though I've haven't been a film shooter. I guess if I'm going to enjoy a little film, I better stop procrastinating or the opportunity may be gone completely.
Brad
edwardkaraa wrote:
I don't think so. The Reflecta scans at 3200 dpi and has a lower Dmax than the Nikon. Plustek has some incredible scanning resolution that doesn't really make any sense, around 16000 dpi if I'm not mistaken, but in reality their optics are not that good. One thing that I love about Reflecta scanners is that they get the colors right, better than the Nikon IMHO, and the optics are not too bad.
like it or not, film lovers are an insignificant minority and totally inadequate to support Kodak's film business. at some point, Fuji is eventually going to pull the plug on most of their film too for the same reasons as Kodak, rapidly declining demand. the difference is that Fuji successfully diversified and Kodak didn't. they have other lines of profitable businesses to subsidize film production and upgrades to keep long term costs low. Kodak's revival business model is broken too as their big emphasis is on making it big in consumer printing, indeed printing of any kind of single images, but that is declining as well, just not as fast as film. about the only growth area Kodak does business in is industrial inkjet printers for high speed book printing. Kodak is already entering the MBA curriculum as how a company can completely blow a near monopoly position and self destruct.
Herb...
edwardkaraa wrote:
It seems we will not have the luxury of choice. Digital will be imposed on all, like it or not.
While true, it is really really sad to read posts like this. I can't believe film is so fatally wounded.
HerbChong wrote:
like it or not, film lovers are an insignificant minority and totally inadequate to support Kodak's film business. at some point, Fuji is eventually going to pull the plug on most of their film too for the same reasons as Kodak, rapidly declining demand. the difference is that Fuji successfully diversified and Kodak didn't. they have other lines of profitable businesses to subsidize film production and upgrades to keep long term costs low. Kodak's revival business model is broken too as their big emphasis is on making it big in consumer printing, indeed printing of any kind of single images, but that is declining as well, just not as fast as film. about the only growth area Kodak does business in is industrial inkjet printers for high speed book printing. Kodak is already entering the MBA curriculum as how a company can completely blow a near monopoly position and self destruct.
rattymouse wrote:
While true, it is really really sad to read posts like this. I can't believe film is so fatally wounded.
Herb's reasoning is interesting not because it's true, but because like the majority of photographers who adopted digital exclusively, there seems to be a certain desire to be done with film, once and for all. This seems to be also the case in cinematography. Probably because they're fed up with the digital vs film argument
how bizarre. film died because not enough people want it for anyone to stay in business making it. every time i run a roll of film through any of my cameras, i see how inferior the results are to my digital captures. that's is why i shoot digital. i want the very best color accuracy and resolution and film doesn't deliver and hasn't for years. for the non-serious photographers, film doesn't deliver on convenience and cost and also hasn't for years.
Herb...
edwardkaraa wrote:
Herb's reasoning is interesting not because it's true, but because like the majority of photographers who adopted digital exclusively, there seems to be a certain desire to be done with film, once and for all. This seems to be also the case in cinematography. Probably because they're fed up with the digital vs film argument
It is well established that Herb hates film because it is "inferior". It is also well established that I hate Marmite which is inferior to pretty much any other food I've ever tasted, including fried worms.
Haha, no body is disputing that digital is superior. I personally have admitted it a few posts above. But some of us really love the look and the feel of that inferior medium called film. Photography is not always about the best sharpness, highest resolution, most accurate color, grainfree captures. Herb, please be kind and don't declare film dead yet, give us at least a couple more years to enjoy it
edwardkaraa wrote:
Haha, no body is disputing that digital is superior. I personally have admitted it a few posts above. But some of us really love the look and the feel of that inferior medium called film. Photography is not always about the best sharpness, highest resolution, most accurate color, grainfree captures. Herb, please be kind and don't declare film dead yet, give us at least a couple more years to enjoy it
there'll still be people around making film even if they have to do it themselves. however, it's going to have significant personal cost to the person who wants is and not just in dollar terms but in time, in quality, and convenience.
Herb...
edwardkaraa wrote:
Haha, no body is disputing that digital is superior. I personally have admitted it a few posts above. But some of us really love the look and the feel of that inferior medium called film. Photography is not always about the best sharpness, highest resolution, most accurate color, grainfree captures. Herb, please be kind and don't declare film dead yet, give us at least a couple more years to enjoy it
Kodak laid off about 100 people from the film sensitization division on Friday. it's only appeared in local Rochester newspapers so far as i can find. i don't know what percentage that represents of people working on film production nor how many of those are a direct consequence of discontinuing their slide film.
