I have stated before that I have shot Canon for 46 years and I really like the glass Canon offers but they seem to be off track with their body development.
I have watched the leap frogging over the years with Nikon and I have stayed on board knowing that it would swing around again but the gap is starting to get too big.
Yes my current arsenal works just fine but I'm always interested in something better and it has nothing to do with how good a photographer I may be but rather staying competitive in the market place for my customer's sake and mine.
Artsupreme has a point about the fact that Nikon has two generations of the D700 and now D800 with features found in their Pro line and Canon has yet to introduce any camera with these features except their Pro line. I simply don't understand why Canon continues to follow this trend and I'm not the only long time user that is getting fed up.
Jim Victory wrote:
....Artsupreme has a point about the fact that Nikon has two generations of the D700 and now D800 with features found in their Pro line and Canon has yet to introduce any camera with these features except their Pro line. I simply don't understand why Canon continues to follow this trend and I'm not the only long time user that is getting fed up.
Actually I agree with the guy. Canon is going to be forced to change their business model, or suffer dire consequences in the long run. Nikon is going to kick their ass upside and down if they continue on the path they are currently going. Time to wake up and start being proactive again.
I agree, Nikon is making Canon look foolish by offering cameras with very little technical or purposely crippling limitations. I commend Nikon for that--they are doing great things. I just hope, for the sake of my current investments, that Canon can start doing the same.
It's obvious that Canon has let us down a bit lately.......but can we not bitch on so many threads and turn this forum into a gear freak circus?
When I check the Canon sub-forum daily all i see bitchin' about Canon vs. Nikon, the new 5D III, the new 24-70 II, about the damn primes with IS....
Just bitchin' and bitchin' and no mature/serious talk ..
Now i KNOW there are some real photographers among us,but by looking at the posts/threads it looks like it's filled with teenagers who want the latest gizmo in photography..
Jim Victory nailed it nice, but even so..i have to disagree with him on one thing...it's not the gear that keeps you competitive in the market...(just my 2c)..
Can we all grow up and move onto a more mature discussion on these boards?
Or can we fight/moan/whine some more about how Canon has 'cheated' on us...
It's pretty easy to see that high MP sensors, faster flash sync and superior auto focus do not equate to a $3-4000 price difference. Canon wants you to think it does, but it does not. Canon HAS spent the better part of it's heyday crippling features on the camera most people buy (5D and 5D2) only to charge a bundle for it in the 1Ds3 which, by comparison to the 5D series sold many less. However, these are features that should not be crippled. The 5D2's focus should have been better and I have a feeling even if there were a $50 price difference photographers would have gladly paid for it. I really feel Nikon has distinguished their cameras enough that the market can bear the price difference but it does so in a way that's not insulting to photographers and what they can benefit with like the way Canon does it. I'm not saying Canon shouldn't be able to profit, not at all, but they need to figure out a way to respect the people who buy their gear more.
deepbluejh wrote:
Actually I agree with the guy. Canon is going to be forced to change their business model, or suffer dire consequences in the long run. Nikon is going to kick their ass upside and down if they continue on the path they are currently going. Time to wake up and start being proactive again.
I agree with him too.
But naturally people will write him off as whining when they don't have a better argument to produce.
Fact of the matter is Nikon has produced a full frame body that doesn't force the consumer to compromise. Let's hope Canon does the same.
adrianb wrote:
Jim Victory nailed it nice, but even so..i have to disagree with him on one thing...it's not the gear that keeps you competitive in the market...(just my 2c)..
I don't know about you but my customers, mainly corporate, are continually wanting higher resolution files and most have started using MF file sizes for their needs. I can't offer a 10MP file when 21MP or 36MP files are now available.
So the equipment does have an impact even if it doesn't make me take a better picture. It does produce a file that meets the size and resolution requirement of my customer.
I agree with the comparison and complaint. With that said, the new 5D hasn't been announced yet so perhaps it's a bit premature. It wasn't as if the 5DII didn't have any advantages over the D700 (mpx, video, etc).
Jim Victory wrote:
I don't know about you but my customers, mainly corporate, are continually wanting higher resolution files and most have started using MF file sizes for their needs. I can't offer a 10MP file when 21MP or 36MP file are now available. So the equipment does have an impact even if it doesn't make me take a better picture. It does produce a file that meets the size and resolution requirement of my customer.
So, pro-up and sell-up and buy Medium Format instead of amateur dramatics. (Amateur dramatics not from you, but from the OP.) If you can justify it after planning it out business-wise, just do it.
I feel for you Jim and everyone who has to sell images to make a living. At what point does the MP race push you out of business? How can you upgrade bodies every year or two at 4-5k a pop and still make money? A customer who looks at the file size instead of the quality of work has his/her priorities mixed up...unless you are blowing up images for the side of a bus. Man I am lost here.
Schlotkins wrote:
I agree with the comparison and complaint. With that said, the new 5D hasn't been announced yet so perhaps it's a bit premature. It wasn't as if the 5DII didn't have any advantages over the D700 (mpx, video, etc).
Chris
That is certainly true. But if Canon doesn't update the AF system in the 5d3 significantly I think many will switch to the D800. They got away with it with the 5d2, but that won't fly any more.
Monito wrote:
Canon cameras make great photos now and in the past. They are a little easier to use now than past models.
My camera still makes photos just as good as it did when I bought it. Better, in fact, because I have progressed.
If you bought the cameras at the time and didn't quickly return them as inadequate then, then they are not inadequate now.
If you don't like current offerings, don't buy.
The percentage of people who actually require the latest and the greatest for producing money is very very small and unlikely to include whiners on forums. Pros who reach that decision just buy what they feel they need, quietly and without a lot of fuss, without having to have their egos massaged in public by making dramatic pronouncements.
It amazes me what a high percentage of people are prevented from making good photos by some perceived lack of automation. The only other alternative I can see is that they are so terrifyingly awesome photographers that they are held back by their equipment in creativity; but I think it is highly unlikely that would apply to any of the whiners....Show more →
I think everyone understands that you can make great photos with just about any camera.
Most people don't think the D800 will make them better photographers, they just think they are getting more for their hard earned money.
Jim Victory wrote:
I don't know about you but my customers, mainly corporate, are continually wanting higher resolution files and most have started using MF file sizes for their needs. I can't offer a 10MP file when 21MP or 36MP files are now available.
So the equipment does have an impact even if it doesn't make me take a better picture. It does produce a file that meets the size and resolution requirement of my customer.
Jim
I don't know your current setup,but judging by their needs it seems like you should go to MF (which is more expensiv) but I believe more suited for that line of work (But I also believe it also pays off...)
Actually, gear CAN keep you competitive in the market. I'd much rather have clean ISO 6400-12800 so I can shoot avail light in dark locations with perfect results. I'd rather have 14 stops of dynamic range (even more if possible). I'd rather have crystal clean shadows so I can shoot for highlights and expose in post. I'd rather have fantastic auto focus so I can nail the shot in tricky lighting. I'd rather have video (I shoot 5D1) so I can do some multi-media. All this translates to better and better ways for me to express my photography without gear being the limiting factor....which ultimately helps book more jobs.
For every 'whiner' there is a fanboy.