Alan321 wrote:
Another thought - are you using any radio control gear or GPS gear near your camera ? I wonder if there is some electrical interference happening.
- Alan
I would agree, the lines look less like banding and more like interference. Take the bluetooth out of your ear
You might try just calling Nikon support and asking them. You can send them the photos as reference with the exif data and they should be able to tell you if it's to be expected or if you need to send it in. I've seen the noise, esp when underexposing at higher iso, but never these lines. Always pretty even (and nasty) noise.
it is ok. high iso, underexposed, pulled a lot. although my D3 does not do it, i would not be surprised if i would see it in this situation.
try capture one software, maybe it will help. it made no banding even on photos when LR3 did.
I can't see the image, but I couldn't coax banding from a 2EV push from the D7000 if I tried, or it was very, very light if it did actually appear.
edit - now at home and seeing the image - that doesn't look right to me.
I mean, a 2EV push is by no means subtle, but to see that very obvious horizontal banding from a 2EV push, even from shadows, is a bit disappointing.
I've never used the D3s, though, so maybe this is normal for that camera?
If it was my camera it would go in for a service - if only to see if Nikon service is better than Canon service However, I think it essential that you supply them with a CD of nef and jpg versions of images with the problem (including all exif data) and a clear explanation about it only occurring in the first shot of a group, and that no radio gear was involved, how long it's been going on for, whether it's getting worse, etc. Give them no chance to misunderstand the problem or to think that there isn't a problem just because they can't see it first hand.
Better confirm too whether or not it appears if the images are processed with Nikon software such as View NX2 or Capture NX2.
The whole idea of a D3s is to get salvageable if not great images in poor light. In this case you pushed the processing 2 stops but that is hardly unusual when trying to maintain a full dynamic range at middle and high ISOs - even if only the shadow details are pushed rather than the whole image. What you've done is well within the capability of a healthy D3s.
Better tell them which lens(es) you were using too, and perhaps even send it in with the camera. Again spell out the reasons for including the lens. Canon had banding problems with their 5D camera and a lot of it came down to certain electrically noisy components in a few lens models - so it definitely can happen. It might have been something to do with the AF motor but I am not certain of that.
That's exactly my thinking Alan. It's already been sent with the thorough explanation and image samples. I have been going back and forth with them for over a month. I'll let everyone know what happens.
Its normal, I own a D3s as well. Thats banding from force-feeding luminance levels that the in-software convolutes as a random flux. I wouldn't be too concern .
My D3s does not behave like this.
Actually, its lack of banding is the reason why I sold the D700, which bands like hell in the proper conditions (very poor light, strong light sources cause streakings all over the sensor).
I have pushed shots 4stops, and while I got a grainy mess, I have yet to see anything like that after 10k shots on the D3s...
I sent it into Nikon and everything has worked flawless since. I never got the specifics as to what was actually replaced but the repair was categorized as needing major parts replaced. I will agree that my D700 also does that streak banding across the frame as well in the right conditions.
there's a difference between this issue and normal banding that will happen at some point when you push an image too far in post. here's my thread on the subject:
that's at ISO 200 and with identical settings one shot has it and one shot doesn't, taken a second apart. https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1124130
I agree Brett. This is a different type of banding than what the D700 exhibits. The banding with the D700 can consistently be recreated with similar lighting conditions, camera settings, and post production. This particular banding with the D3s seems very random and would show up one one frame but the the very next.
I've seen this on BOTH my D3s bodies. Cost $300 apiece for Nikon to correct it though I don't know what they did other than replace a bunch of parts. It took them three tries to get the first body fixed.
Does not happen as readily when only a single card is in the camera.
I was able to reproduce it rather easily by firing long bursts of 30 or 40 shots at a dark surface and bringing the levels up three to five stops.
The issue appeared intermittently when I fired these long bursts.
My repairs were done about a year ago. I'm not sure if I'm beginning to see the problem again.
Note that these are VERTICAL lines when the camera is held a landscape orientation. The normal "underexposure" banding causes horizontal lines.
