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p.1 #1 · Problem With Zeiss Lens


I have a Zeiss ZE 100mm f/2 macro lens that I use with a Canon 1Ds MkIII camera. Every photograph made with the lens shows a black curved line in roughly the shape of a fishing hook. I've attached a photograph with the shape circled in black. It's often sharper and blacker than it appears in this photograph. There are no scratches on the lens and I haven't dropped it or otherwise damaged it. When I look through the lens at a bright light I can see the usual minor dust but nothing that looks like this shape. I'd appreciate it if someone could tell me what this likely is and how I might get rid of it if that's possible, short of sending it off for repair?


Jan 29, 2012 at 01:44 PM
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campyone wrote:
I have a Zeiss ZE 100mm f/2 macro lens that I use with a Canon 1Ds MkIII camera. Every photograph made with the lens shows a black curved line in roughly the shape of a fishing hook. I've attached a photograph with the shape circled in black. It's often sharper and blacker than it appears in this photograph. There are no scratches on the lens and I haven't dropped it or otherwise damaged it. When I look through the lens at a bright light I can see the usual minor dust but nothing that looks like this shape. I'd appreciate
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I think it's some kinds of string-like shape artifact that has got in the coating of one element. I have the same issue once when I bought a Zeiss polarization filter but I exchange it for a new one and it is fine



Jan 29, 2012 at 01:48 PM
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campyone wrote:
I have a Zeiss ZE 100mm f/2 macro lens that I use with a Canon 1Ds MkIII camera. Every photograph made with the lens shows a black curved line in roughly the shape of a fishing hook.


Did you check other lenses to rule out the familiar hair on the sensor?







Jan 29, 2012 at 01:57 PM
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p.1 #4 · Problem With Zeiss Lens


Sorry, I should have mentioned that it appears only with this lens and no other.


Jan 29, 2012 at 01:59 PM
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p.1 #5 · Problem With Zeiss Lens


Does the hair appear at f/2.0 and infinity setting of the lens distance scale (and no extension tubes/bellows)?


Jan 29, 2012 at 02:43 PM
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p.1 #6 · Problem With Zeiss Lens


Did you buy it new?


Jan 29, 2012 at 02:46 PM
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p.1 #7 · Problem With Zeiss Lens


It'll probably be sharper and darker at smaller apertures (Opanda IEXIF shows f/5.6 on your example photo), no matter where in the system it's located. Maybe you could send an email to ask Zeiss? Send example photos from the 100 ZE and 70-200 at 100, both at f/8 or so.


Jan 29, 2012 at 03:03 PM
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p.1 #8 · Problem With Zeiss Lens


ZoneV wrote:
Does the hair appear at f/2.0 and infinity setting of the lens distance scale (and no extension tubes/bellows)?


Yes, but its wider (thicker) and fainter. I can post an image at these settings if it would help.



Jan 29, 2012 at 04:35 PM
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p.1 #9 · Problem With Zeiss Lens


carstenw wrote:
Did you buy it new?


No, I bought it used from a dealer about six months ago. But I'm virtually certain it wasn't there when I first bought the lens, I just started noticing it about a month or two ago.



Jan 29, 2012 at 04:36 PM
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p.1 #10 · Problem With Zeiss Lens


It seems unlikely that something of that size worked its way into the lens, so I suppose it was already in there and at some point already fell off. Asking Zeiss what it would cost to remove seems a logical next step. There is a faint possibility that it could be a mark on the lens, most likely on the rear element. These can be quite hard to spot.


Jan 29, 2012 at 04:43 PM
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p.1 #11 · Problem With Zeiss Lens


I know the OP said it doesn't happen with other lenses but I'd suggest a test with another lens, pretty much any lens, at F22. This will show any dust on the sensor and at least eliminate sensor dust.

JJ



Jan 29, 2012 at 05:20 PM
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p.1 #12 · Problem With Zeiss Lens


Since the mark is well defined it must be at a focal plane, eliminating the front or rear element. Anything on the sensor would not be so sharp. I think it must be internal.




Jan 29, 2012 at 05:52 PM
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p.1 #13 · Problem With Zeiss Lens


I have seen similar marks from dust on my sensors, so I think it could be at the sensor.


Jan 29, 2012 at 06:12 PM
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p.1 #14 · Problem With Zeiss Lens


I have used lenses full of dust and other crap previously and never seen anything in the photos, let alone such a well defined shape and so sharp. Imho, if it is in the lens, it must be very easy to see. If you can't see it while you look through the lens, it ain't there. To me, it looks to be on the sensor.


Jan 29, 2012 at 10:45 PM
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p.1 #15 · Problem With Zeiss Lens


Yeah, if you can't see it in/on the lens(flashlight/torch near/through the rear the lens, while looking through the front end),
then it's the sensor, which is what I think it is.
If you have a rocket blower, use it on the camera sensor and back of the lens often, and it will stay cleaner longer.



Jan 30, 2012 at 04:17 AM
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p.1 #16 · Problem With Zeiss Lens


A well defined shape like that can appear if the lens is focused all the way in to or near it's 1:2 MFD and stopped down some.

To check a lens for dust that wouldn't normally show up shine a bright LED flashlight through either end and let your eyes focus on each of the detectable element surfaces. If you don't see it that way then it's not there!
Note that this is different than looking at a bright light through the lens. Using the flashlight energizes the dust and fibre particles with light causing them to reflect copious amounts of light (very brightly), while looking thru to a bright room light or something will only show a (much harder to see) silhouette of the debris.

Also check the mount and adapters for hairs or fibers that may be attached and causing this.





Jan 30, 2012 at 04:27 AM
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p.1 #17 · Problem With Zeiss Lens


As Bifurcator says, you must force your eyes to focus throughout the internals of the lens. Not an easy task with the liquid transparency of a Zeiss lens.


Jan 30, 2012 at 08:31 AM
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p.1 #18 · Problem With Zeiss Lens


Usually dust sensor spots look like oily bobs.


Jan 30, 2012 at 08:44 AM
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p.1 #19 · Problem With Zeiss Lens


Thanks for all the responses. I haven't noticed this shape with any lens other than this one and I've used them all quite a bit since I first started noticing the shape with the Zeiss 100mm lens. However, I haven't done a real thorough test, which I'll do by photographing with each of my other lenses at minimum and maximum apertures, maximum and minimum focus distances, and in the case of zooms, at longest and shortest focal lengths. I'll also try looking through the lens with an LED flashlight. I've been looking through the lens using a table lamp and a ceiling light. Thanks again for all your help.


Jan 30, 2012 at 09:52 AM
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p.1 #20 · Problem With Zeiss Lens


Have a quick go at the sensor with a clean bulb blower regardless, and check again. Worth a try.


Jan 30, 2012 at 05:01 PM
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