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No problem. Its certainly something to think about. I am not a wedding photographer so I don't know much about the process of securing clients in your industry, but I would imagine you have pre-meetings or discussions with potential clients so I would encourage you have a think about the 'need creation' philosophy and maybe prepare some structured, specific open questions that you could run through the next time you meet a potential new client.

I am so confident in this technique (certainly helps me to hit my £2.6 million sales target each year) that I would bet you anything that you would notice a sudden increase in contracts once you have got this technique mastered.

I look forward to hearing if they come back to you. :-)



Jan 26, 2012 at 03:34 PM
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The way Tony put it summed it up perfectly. I get these sorts of enquiries from time to time. They immediately go in my 'You'll have to Prove It' mental category. If I don't have anything more important to do, I might reply, and one time out of ten it may turnout that my initial assumptions were false. However, for me to take the gig on, they'll have to totally convince me that my initial reaction was off base.

I'd make my reply polite and enthusiastic however, if I do bother replying, and then see what response I get from there. Same one word rubbish, then the bride goes in the trash can.



Jan 26, 2012 at 03:40 PM
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gravygraffix wrote:
more than likely, she was googlin every tog in the area and didnt even look at the site and only looking for the email form only... and got tired and lazy of typing lol.. wedding.... prices..


That's likely it. In any event, everyone gets the same response. And the response has to lead them further along the process, plain and simple.



Jan 26, 2012 at 03:55 PM
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That is real close to what I sent her... so we will see


I was going to say just e-mail her a complete price list with attractive pricing. And don't forget to mention that unadvertised special you're running till the end of the month.




Jan 26, 2012 at 05:23 PM
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Interesting approach. This way you're basing your entire strategy on price with no way to differentiate yourself against all the other photographers that will also be sending her their price list as well.

Successful selling is about demonstrating the value of your proposition to your client. Value is purely based on individual perception however, so you need to find a way to make your client see the value in the solution/service you are offering. A very talented photographer may charge 100% more than one of their competitors but if the client perceives there to be more value in their offering they will pay the extra money. By understanding a clients needs intimiately you can develop a value proposition that meets with their needs and ultimately you can charge higher prices.

A client who places an order solely on price usually doesn't fully understand what they want, hence the need creation philosophy I talked about.

However, I am not a wedding photographer and so perhaps I'm just talking rubbish. I personally believe that good sales technique applies to any industry, but maybe sending her the price list is the right way to go.



Jan 26, 2012 at 05:42 PM
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Dude, just skipping to the end of this thread to say. F-it. I've learned this year that people who give a weird vibe, a disinterested vibe, ect. Need not be my clients. I stretched myself twice to book clients that I second guessed initially, and I've regretted it since.


Jan 26, 2012 at 08:00 PM
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F-it. I've learned this year that people who give a weird vibe, a disinterested vibe, ect. Need not be my clients. I stretched myself twice to book clients that I second guessed initially, and I've regretted it since.


I've got one prospect I'm dealing with now that's got me a little concerned. He's a photo hobbyist and seems unusually interested in the gear being used and shutter speeds, apertures, ISOs. Seems pretty picky about the technical aspects. Half thinking to just drop him. Worried he could be a pain in the *** down the road.



Jan 26, 2012 at 08:32 PM
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Don't get me wrong. I don't expect all of my clients to just cheerlead me on, regardless of my performance. I'm cool with people who give me a challenge. Expectations are a good thing. I've shot a few serious hobby guy weddings recently. Neither was a problem. One guy even gave me a section by section critique of my shoot when all was delivered. He was sort of a super organized engineer type. I have to admit that initially I felt a little uncomfortable about it, but once I read the critique I realized (as odd a protocol as it was) it was genuine and actually very insightful. He was ultimately a very happy client, just one that I worked hard to please and offered a ton of feedback.

I guess what I'm saying, don't avoid a challenge. Avoid someone who seems A) too disinterested B) only concerned with cost C) mean



Jan 26, 2012 at 08:58 PM
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ct8282 wrote:
I am not a wedding photographer and so perhaps I'm just talking rubbish. I personally believe that good sales technique applies to any industry, but maybe sending her the price list is the right way to go.


Everything you've written is accurate and good sales technique applies to any industry is absolutely true but then here's the rub: brides actually are a different type of consumer. The photographer/bride relationship is precarious. You can find a bride's need, demonstrate how you can absolutely take care of that need, be the only photographer who can take care of that need, and yet, if she has in mind to spend less than your fee, she'll likely keep looking. Dozens of other brides on wedding forums and all have inferred there's greener pastures.

Conventional sales technique serves more like a framework once you have a good match. Because even with a good match, sales strategy is needed to bring it to its desired conclusion, because sales technique helps overcome the consumer's inertia.



Jan 27, 2012 at 12:30 AM
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I've shot a few serious hobby guy weddings recently. ... One guy even gave me a section by section critique of my shoot when all was delivered.


That settles it: I'm ditchin' my guy!

Anyone want a September photo-bug groom who's gonna pick your **** apart?




Jan 27, 2012 at 12:59 AM
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TheGE wrote:
Everything you've written is accurate and good sales technique applies to any industry is absolutely true but then here's the rub: brides actually are a different type of consumer. The photographer/bride relationship is precarious. You can find a bride's need, demonstrate how you can absolutely take care of that need, be the only photographer who can take care of that need, and yet, if she has in mind to spend less than your fee, she'll likely keep looking. Dozens of other brides on wedding forums and all have inferred there's greener pastures.

Conventional sales technique serves more like a framework once
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Reading through a lot of the responses on here I do get the feeling that the wedding photography industry can be a tricky/fussy/complicated one, but then I suppose any industry can be. Many of my clients are total utter pains in the ass who are only concerned about 'price'. It takes a lot to time and work to demonstrate the 'value proposition' and get them to understand it and buy into it. Because of the nature of my business I have the time to put the work in to achieve this and I have the luxury of a major corporation behind me too so there is less risk. I guess that for you self employed wedding photogs the balance between putting in the time to sell to a client and making sure you have enough going on outside of that 'sale' is more delicate. After all, your total income is based around the work you do, whereas I still have a basic salary to fall back on if I don't make the sale.
However, on the flip side of the coin I believe that learning and applying a solid sales strategy would improve your total income because you would invariably pick up more work. Let's face it, many of you a probably superb and talented photographers but not so hot at sales, and why would you be? You have not been trained to sell and don't have daily experience at it. No doubt you spend hours reading photography magazines, trawling the forums, studying new techniques etc etc, but I say that how about for February you all make a point of reading a good sales book such as 'how I raised myself from failure to success in selling' and then see if you start securing more business later in the year. Ultimately you are running a business which is more then just taking photos which is just the delivery mechanism for your business. Everything else that goes with it including selling, editing, development of skills, relationships etc is just as important.



Jan 27, 2012 at 03:07 AM
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ct8282 wrote:
....applying a solid sales strategy would improve your total income because you would invariably pick up more work....


But some "more work" is actually less income because of the extra work involved and not counted. An email saying "prices" is not really a good beginning and in many ways (in my eyes) a disrespectful way to communicate. I treat emails like phone calls. I would never call a repair shop and say "prices" when they pickup the phone. That's more in line with a prank call.



Jan 27, 2012 at 04:23 PM
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Yeah, in some respects you are right. There is a learning curve which may see more than desirable amounts of time being used to secure new contracts. But it's like anything, the more you do it the better you become and the quicker you can get results.
I suspect that when you started out shooting weddings you weren't as proficient and efficient at shooting them and delivering the results as you are now?



Jan 28, 2012 at 04:10 AM
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Some very good points in here.. very good thread..

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Feb 01, 2012 at 01:28 AM
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As a Business Development Manager with several years sales experience and more importantly sales training I would like to offer my view on this one and share what our business uses as it's core sales technique (a technique that rarely fails if done well).

So our sales training and technique is based around what we call 'need creation'. In summary it is about identifying a potential customers need and then developing on that need until you reach a point where you can then offer a solution to the customers need. A need usually stems from a problem or a desire for some
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Let me tell you this: You are 100% correct. Since this early fall I have gotten at least 20 emails asking me for price..All vague and only price oriented.. I was not sure how to reply - I at least wanted to get a meet from them..I usually close every client I meet..about 95%.

So I answered in many different ways: starting price only, full disclosure prices, full long email details of the way we work, short description, funny, direct, firm, and of course the.. "Prices are only disclosed on meetings", reply - that one was if I felt the client was really another photog. fishing for details and prices..I am sure a few of the inquiries were just that,..Well out of 20 - I only met 1 client and I did book them.. The others never returend an email or phone call. Could it be I was too expensive, not enough expensive...I'll never know..But I know now that I didnt answer the right way..This is how I know..

Anyhow.after searching and asking friends etc. I never got a straight answer on what is the correct way to answer the emailing bride who's searching for a photog.
Until this last Sunday I caught a successful wedding photography couple on line - who are making a lot of business by doing exactly what you have said..
**Adding VALUE** to their work and actually selling THEMSELVES more than the photos.. They inquired on correct business approaches and tactics..and in the end.. they are extremely successful and are doing it with high end clients.. starting price $5500.00

Their website barely has any wedding photos.. there's a few..but what they have developed is an ANSWER to a NEED of a bride..it works brilliantly.. They have successfully sold the security, comfort and fun time they provide in a wedding day..
Showing the moments they catch that are precious and marketing that as who they are. We are EMOTION period.. What bride-to-be doesn't want to hear that...

So you have basically written the exact same thing that these people are doing and it has brought them extreme success.. They were actually on CreativeLive for a free 3 day webinar -

So now that I know.. I would like to say thank you for sharing with us that brilliant tactic and knowledge on selling.. I never wanted to be a salesman - I was hoping my work would speak for itself..and to some degree it does - but my website - or any website, doesn't close clients..Its the person/seller who as you say it..gives the right solution to that person's need..

Thank you again...

Nektario




Feb 01, 2012 at 01:29 AM
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No problem at all Nektario.

You've hit on some very poignant points in your post. Unfortunately most people do rely on their work to sell itself, but unless you are an industry leading brand, such as the likes of Apple, Microsoft, Trend, canon, Nikon, to name just a few you will need to work harder to ensure that you are maximising on sales opportunities and therefore maximising your businesses potential.

In this game there are the odd people who can now indeed rely on their brand/reputation to bring them business (think Tony Hoffer) but even the leaders have to be able to successfully operate all aspects of their business, which does indeed include selling.

I have read through lots of views and opinions on this thread, many people just told the OP to ignore her and that she wasn't worth wasting the time over. For me however, I believe that for the sake of spending 10 mins to write a solid 'need creation'based response it is most definitely worth the effort because when done correctly it really is possible to make even the most vague of enquiries become a sale. As with anything it does take time and practice but once you have got the need creation technique nailed you will really find that your business will boom.

I'm glad that you have clearly identified the potential of this strategy and better still that you have been able to relate it to other people who are very successful at what they do. Whilst they might not knowingly call their strategy need creation, i am in no doubt at all that their business success is built up around their ability to identify their clients needs and maximise on revenue as a result by offering their clients a solution that meets with that need.
You talk about 'adding value' and this is a very innteresting point indeed. Value is purely based around perception and given the correct sales tools and strategy you can be very firmly in control of what a client perceives as 'good value'. As part of our business activities we are constantly tasked with developing a 'value proposition' that is specifically relevant to a certain client. We may be talking about the same product or service offering but each client has different 'needs' and 'buying criteria' so we have to ensure that the product or service is pitched in the correct way and taylors to their ongoing needs.
For the wedding photographers purposes, providing you are capable of delivering a quality 'solution' to the clients need (or problem as previously discussed), if you start to look closely at the value proposition you are offering to your clients but more importantly how you offer that value proposition to ensure it fits with their needs you could easily bump your prices considerably and still find that the number of contracts/sales you get increases significantly. You are not delivering anything more than before which might justify the extra cost, but what you are doing is altering what the client perceives as good value and they will therefore be prepared to pay more.

In my industry my business is market leader in the UK, by a very significant margin. We are now at the stage where people use our Brand name when they are referring to what our systems are. What I mean is that when people want to buy a Building Management System they will often say they want to buy a Trend system. However, our product is not better than our competitors. In some applications it may even be worse, but the customer perceives far greater value from buying our products and buying into our brand. Our products carry a premium price point compared to all of our competition but the customers are happy to pay the price premium as they see greater value in our products and services. The reason being, they appear to get much better after purchase support, much better supply and security of supply with components, better training, etc etc, so all in all their experience in dealing with us is perceived to be better than when dealing with the competition. Are we better, chances are in some respects we're not (actually we are much better ), but we invest heavily in making sure that the customer believes that we are. Of course you do have to be able to deliver the goods otherwise your business wont last long on a good sales strategy alone if you don't have a quality product to back it up. The net result now is that people will usually come to Trend in the first instance when they decide they want to purchase a building management system. Wouldn't it be nice to have people phoning you the first instance they decide they want a wedding photographer? Yes, the other guy charges $1000 less but the customer perceives your offering to be better value because you took the time to run through the Need Creation process and truly identify what the client really wants. The other chap just spouted off for an hour about how great he was, how expensive his camera gear was, and how awesome at wedding photography he is. Well he might be awesome, but if the customer doesn't believe that he will supply a product that meets intimately with their needs they will most likely look elsewhere.

Of course, I would be happy to provide more info on need creation or share my sales experience if you think it will help you. Drop me a PM if you wish to talk more.

Best regards :-)

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Feb 01, 2012 at 03:17 AM
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D. Diggler wrote:
I've got one prospect I'm dealing with now that's got me a little concerned. He's a photo hobbyist and seems unusually interested in the gear being used and shutter speeds, apertures, ISOs. Seems pretty picky about the technical aspects. Half thinking to just drop him. Worried he could be a pain in the *** down the road.


Whenever I've taken my car in to the mechanic I've ALWAYS been very interested in what they're doing, how they're doing it, etc. and yes for a time I was a hobbyist car-tuner/maintainer.

Aside from my interest I don't think I was ever a "difficult" client.

Now that I think about it I'm kind of the same way with everything... my plumber, AC guy, termite guy, lawyer, my doctor and my children's doctor, kids' teachers... again, I don't cross the line of second-guessing, unless they express ambivalence about a situation, or telling them how to do their job, but I wouldn't doubt that I ask more than my fair share of questions.

Of course because many friends know that I'm that way I'm often asked for recommendations for various services etc... which of course benefits these peeps who do work for me and are open to explaining.



Feb 01, 2012 at 07:28 AM
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ct8282 wrote:
Interesting approach. This way you're basing your entire strategy on price with no way to differentiate yourself against all the other photographers that will also be sending her their price list as well.

Successful selling is about demonstrating the value of your proposition to your client. Value is purely based on individual perception however, so you need to find a way to make your client see the value in the solution/service you are offering. A very talented photographer may charge 100% more than one of their competitors but if the client perceives there to be more value in their offering
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Not rubbish at all. I think you are spot on.



Feb 01, 2012 at 12:09 PM
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lisy78 wrote:
Whenever I've taken my car in to the mechanic I've ALWAYS been very interested in what they're doing, how they're doing it, etc. and yes for a time I was a hobbyist car-tuner/maintainer.

Aside from my interest I don't think I was ever a "difficult" client.

Now that I think about it I'm kind of the same way with everything... my plumber, AC guy, termite guy, lawyer, my doctor and my children's doctor, kids' teachers... again, I don't cross the line of second-guessing, unless they express ambivalence about a situation, or telling them how to do their job, but I wouldn't doubt
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Now he wants the raw photo files, too!



Feb 01, 2012 at 05:37 PM
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ct8282 wrote:
No problem at all Nektario.

You've hit on some very poignant points in your post. Unfortunately most people do rely on their work to sell itself, but unless you are an industry leading brand, such as the likes of Apple, Microsoft, Trend, canon, Nikon, to name just a few you will need to work harder to ensure that you are maximising on sales opportunities and therefore maximising your businesses potential.

In this game there are the odd people who can now indeed rely on their brand/reputation to bring them business (think Tony Hoffer) but even the leaders have to be able to
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Thank you.. PM sent..



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